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Panasonic to begin mass producing new 4680 Tesla battery by March 2024

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Re: Panasonic to begin mass producing new 4680 Tesla battery by March 2024

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Assuming this image I found online is of 4680s, there’s quite a bit of wasted space: https://www.teslarati.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/tesla-4...

The actual arrangement of cylindrical cells is staggered: https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/XkV66/s1/tesla-model-y-468...

Why not use two size tiers of cylindrical cells, smaller ones to fill in the gaps? With only one size the empty space ratio is the same.

Re: Panasonic to begin mass producing new 4680 Tesla battery by March 2024

#92
post #86

Does anybody know why the range of a Tesla, such as the Model 3, is not increasing every year? I would expect more advances in battery capacity.

Because we are in the incremental improvement phase of lithium ion batteries. Until a new chemistry/technology get developed we probably won't see giant increases in range.

Re: Panasonic to begin mass producing new 4680 Tesla battery by March 2024

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As a Canadian who's currently driving a 9 year old Mazda 3, I'm waiting for the day it decides to call quits so I can move to an EV (9 isn't that old, so I'm hopeful at least another 2-3 years) That said, I wish there was a site that simply told me now's the right time to buy an EV. With supply chain issues, long waits for a new car, government rebates, and the influx of new inventory/models, it's hard to keep up whe…

I guess it depends a lot on the mileage but I know people with 20 year old Toyota Corollas with more than 200 thousand miles that are still going strong. No crazy maintenance costs either.

If you call $1200 - $2500 every 10 months or so not a crazy cost, then sure. For me it felt like a crazy cost when the total resale value of the car was around $2000, being optimistic. But to be fair, Camry not Corolla.

Re: Panasonic to begin mass producing new 4680 Tesla battery by March 2024

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As a Canadian who's currently driving a 9 year old Mazda 3, I'm waiting for the day it decides to call quits so I can move to an EV (9 isn't that old, so I'm hopeful at least another 2-3 years) That said, I wish there was a site that simply told me now's the right time to buy an EV. With supply chain issues, long waits for a new car, government rebates, and the influx of new inventory/models, it's hard to keep up whe…

We recently bought a 2022 Nissan Leaf (SL 62kWh) as a 2nd car and it's solid. (Primary family car is a Honda Odyssey.) The 2022 Leaf has 3x as much range as the 2015 Leaf I leased awhile back. Simpler design and better UI vs. Tesla, and quite a bit cheaper. Numerous driver assist features but no false-advertising "Autopilot". Handles fine in the snow.

Re: Panasonic to begin mass producing new 4680 Tesla battery by March 2024

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post #88

As a Canadian who's currently driving a 9 year old Mazda 3, I'm waiting for the day it decides to call quits so I can move to an EV (9 isn't that old, so I'm hopeful at least another 2-3 years) That said, I wish there was a site that simply told me now's the right time to buy an EV. With supply chain issues, long waits for a new car, government rebates, and the influx of new inventory/models, it's hard to keep up whe…

The right time to buy a new car is when your current car doesn't meet your needs. You got your money's worth. Don't feel bad about buying a new one; unless "your needs" are being as frugal as possible.

Why shouldn't you feel bad about buying a new car? Surely the environmental impact of creating such a large piece of machinery must be very significant? I don't care what people do with their money, but let's try to be frugal with our environment.

Re: Panasonic to begin mass producing new 4680 Tesla battery by March 2024

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post #86

Does anybody know why the range of a Tesla, such as the Model 3, is not increasing every year? I would expect more advances in battery capacity.

Without a breakdown of vehicle costs it's hard to know exactly why they haven't increased range. Out of PURE speculation, I think it's due to lack of competition. If you get a better battery then you can reduce manufacturing cost, improve reliability, and reduce weight if you don't increase the range. Without competition, there is no reason to increase range. Especially if their charging infrastructure is lightyears ahead of everyone.

Re: Panasonic to begin mass producing new 4680 Tesla battery by March 2024

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As a Canadian who's currently driving a 9 year old Mazda 3, I'm waiting for the day it decides to call quits so I can move to an EV (9 isn't that old, so I'm hopeful at least another 2-3 years) That said, I wish there was a site that simply told me now's the right time to buy an EV. With supply chain issues, long waits for a new car, government rebates, and the influx of new inventory/models, it's hard to keep up whe…

Also a Canadian who was driving a 12 year old Mazda 6. Bought a Kia Niro EV in Sept 2020. Was maybe a bit premature but the charging network in Ontario at least is pretty decent. I've had a 30 amp charger installed at home, and I've managed to do Toronto->Ottawa->Toronto in a single day without much issue. The lack of government rebates is really annoying right now, but I don't think the demand is any less. There were only 3 Kia dealerships in Toronto dealing with EVs and they each brought in a single Niro EV per week. Made negotiating on price kind of hard (though not impossible).

That said, I'm with the other people, when your current car is no longer worth it, that's when the right time to get a new car is, and if your car usage lines up well with EVs, it's a great time to transition.

Re: Panasonic to begin mass producing new 4680 Tesla battery by March 2024

#99
post #65

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You could be waiting for hours or overnight on the side of the US interstate (possibly in below freezin/0F temps) for a tow truck that may or may not show up. The salvage check may or may not cover the tow and replacement temporary transportation. A majority of Americans can't come up with $1000 for an emergency, which is somewhat close to the cost of a one way rental at the moment.

True, but statistically the average HN user with a beat up car won't be a McDonald's employee buying the only car they can afford, but more likely someone working in tech that's aiming for FIRE or whatever they're calling it and saving a ton of money. Highly unlikely the average HNer can't come up with $1000 for an emergency (nota bene: for sure some can't, that why I didn't say "every HNer").

Phew, as long as we're only having to worry about HNers. That's gotta be what, a whole 1% of the driving population? Seriously, why is an HNer filter being applied?

Re: Panasonic to begin mass producing new 4680 Tesla battery by March 2024

#100
post #40

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Right now probably isn't because the car market is insane with dealers getting away with markups above sticker price because the market is so hot. Otherwise the tech seems to mostly be there the biggest issue is charging networks on longer trips. I've watched a few different videos that highlighted that other companies that rely on charging networks instead of going DIY like Tesla has have some issues with finding ch…

FYI, last month, 82% of new-car buyers paid more than sticker price. https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-new-brand-of-sticker-shock-hi...

*does not apply to Tesla.
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