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Re: Russia and Belarus banned from holding world chess events

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Post by libertine »

password321 wrote: post #14
Mehjuiy wrote: post #8

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Maybe he didn't word it in the best way but the point here is that many feel betrayed. Betrayed because people with simillar backgrounds to them have not recieved anywhere near the same treatment. People from Gaza come to mind.

Maybe this is a turning point?

It's the first time in a long time we see the West come together, even during COVID we had drama about hoarding vaccines, and who gets what first.

To be fair, Europe has been taking refugees for quite some time, but we indeed haven't saw this sanctioning anywhere else... but let's face it: this is happening in Europe, a nuclear power is invading an independent european country.

Apparently there are big consequences for such actions. Maybe that's where the line is drawn, since it has to be drawn somewhere.

Re: Russia and Belarus banned from holding world chess events

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Post by marcyb5st »

severino wrote: post #12
Mehjuiy wrote: post #8

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Maybe a criticism against the hypocrisy of the western world and its moral superiority?

I'd like to point out that, before calling 600M people racists, there are different explanations. "Social Identity Theory" [1] being one of them. We Europeans could simply see Ukraine belonging to the same group (ie another European country) and hence emotional responses about an injustice are enhanced. This leads to more support for a member of said group compared to the same thing happening to someone belonging to a larger group (ie humanity as a whole). This doesn't have to be about racism and it's a fallacy almost all humans have.

[1] https://www.simplypsychology.org/social-identity-theory.html....

Re: Russia and Belarus banned from holding world chess events

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Post by lamp987 »

Mehjuiy wrote: post #16
severino wrote: post #12

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Maybe a criticism against the hypocrisy of the western world and its moral superiority?

In which sense? I'm not remembering a nuclear power taking over another democratic country in Europe for a long time. Or do you mean Asia? Or other regions of the world? Is it so hypocritic to say no and stand up to a bully who threatens the world with nukes? 'who needs a world without Russia in it's

it is pretty racist man

europeans arent more "important" than other people

Re: Russia and Belarus banned from holding world chess events

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Post by lamp987 »

marcyb5st wrote: post #23
severino wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe a criticism against the hypocrisy of the western world and its moral superiority?

I'd like to point out that, before calling 600M people racists, there are different explanations. "Social Identity Theory" [1] being one of them. We Europeans could simply see Ukraine belonging to the same group (ie another European country) and hence emotional responses about an injustice are enhanced. This leads to more support for a member of said group compared to the same thing happening to someone belonging to…

in-group preference, aka implicit racial bias, is still racism.

Re: Russia and Belarus banned from holding world chess events

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Post by Mehjuiy »

password321 wrote: post #14
Mehjuiy wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

Maybe he didn't word it in the best way but the point here is that many feel betrayed. Betrayed because people with simillar backgrounds to them have not recieved anywhere near the same treatment. People from Gaza come to mind.

I mean what happens in Gaza is wtf. But how far is the NATO or Europe allowed to escalate this conflict to an end that it becomes solved?

Alone the issue what trump did showed that there is not that much of alignment.

Re: Russia and Belarus banned from holding world chess events

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Post by bigbillheck »

marcyb5st wrote: post #23
severino wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe a criticism against the hypocrisy of the western world and its moral superiority?

I'd like to point out that, before calling 600M people racists, there are different explanations. "Social Identity Theory" [1] being one of them. We Europeans could simply see Ukraine belonging to the same group (ie another European country) and hence emotional responses about an injustice are enhanced. This leads to more support for a member of said group compared to the same thing happening to someone belonging to…

Sounds like racism to me.

Re: Russia and Belarus banned from holding world chess events

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Post by emteycz »

gostsamo wrote: post #18
emteycz wrote: post #10

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I'm near the crisis (many Ukrainian refugees are here now). I haven't seen any indications that skin color is the differentiator. Ukrainians are not all crystal white and they're being helped regardless. It's much more about speaking a similar language and sharing a similar culture.

It doesn't seem so universally. The stories here seem ugly. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-refu...

That's within Ukraine itself and I think the issue here is that Ukrainians are afraid there won't be enough space for their own people. Usually in these situations, foreign nationals are assisted in getting home by their own governments - but nobody might be going to help evacuate Ukrainians.

During COVID lockdowns, I was also denied entry onto a evacuation bus based on my nationality - and I'm as white as you can be. This is nothing unusual - and it's not racist, only nationalist/statist.

Re: Russia and Belarus banned from holding world chess events

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Post by rosndo »

haughty wrote: post #7
mark_l_watson wrote: post #3

I feel like this is a very good decision. Coincidentally, I just installed the chess.com iPadOS app and bought a $30/year subscription a few days ago; a really nice service! I will also give chess24.com a try. Off topic, but I really mis-predicted recent history badly. I thought there was zero chance of Russia invading Ukraine. I feel humbled by my lack of understanding of the world. I have enjoyed visiting Ukraine a…

Heh, everyone is apologizing and feels humbled. Why? You can't predict madness. Alex Jones is the most credible analyst at the moment.

Predict? People were still denying this when it was obvious that Russian troops were in staging areas ready to invade.

This was a case of people burying their heads in sand and ignoring the grim reality staring at them.

Re: Russia and Belarus banned from holding world chess events

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Post by gostsamo »

emteycz wrote: post #28
gostsamo wrote: post #18

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It doesn't seem so universally. The stories here seem ugly. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-refu...

That's within Ukraine itself and I think the issue here is that Ukrainians are afraid there won't be enough space for their own people. Usually in these situations, foreign nationals are assisted in getting home by their own governments - but nobody might be going to help evacuate Ukrainians. During COVID lockdowns, I was also denied entry onto a evacuation bus based on my nationality - and I'm as white as you can be…

I thought so initially as well, but it is mentioned that the polls are also not so welcoming. Check the stories about other nationalities and the behavior of the board guards as well.
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