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Someone should probably start a bright home lighting company (2019)

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Re: Someone should probably start a bright home lighting company (2019)

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I always wanted to build a "periscope windows". Have a large light-gathering lens on the outside, then focus the rays into a much thiner "sun tunnel", bring them underground (in the same shaft as the water and heating pipes), then expand the rays into a fake window. If this was possible it would completely change the way we build homes, we could have many underground floors with "periscope windows" and a towers of li…

Not possible. https://physics.stackexchange.com/a/413990 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etendue#Conservation_of_etendu...

Yep, that is my question :)

Re: Someone should probably start a bright home lighting company (2019)

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Yeah, definitely not the first to consider this. I remember my Dad experimenting with proper lightning (brightness and spectrum) in the early to mid 2000s, and to him that was not really that novel.

In my office room (32m²/340sqft), I use a commercial rail lightning system with three channels/phases (controlled via a Sonoff 4CH WiFi switch). Those are commonly used in stores, and I got my rails cheap via the local craigslist-equivalent. With 8m of rails (2m not attached, yet) I am very flexible with light positioning and can adjust the "light mode" for different room usages. Drawback: I am not somebody to buy light fixtures for a thousand bucks, so I found it difficult to find appropriate-but-still-cheap fixtures. For ambient light (not so bright) I got lucky with these cheap GU10 holders [1], into which I put some decent bulbs (3000k, CRI90+, 410lumen, dimmable, flickerfree [2]). As "desklights" I have bright spots (6400k, CRI95+, 1350lumen, 24deg [3]), which should give about 5000 to 7000lux with three lamps. The 6400k is a bit cold and the bulbs are non-replaceable, but other LED alternatives would have been much more expensive, so I got these to experiment with. So far I am happy.

One interesting alternative are metal-halide lamps[4]: Those can often be bought in used condition for cheap, and offer replaceable bulbs by default (G12 socket). They are only little less energy efficient than my high CRI LEDs, and the spectrum also seems to be quite good. However, they start at 35W (e.g. 4200k, CRI91, 3400lumen) and don't seem to be dimmable. For a single spot that's a bit much, and spreading the light on the ceiling by using three or four is a bit expensive with our energy prices. They also have some additional drawbacks like warmup and cooldown times. Though maybe I'll modify one or two with WiFi switches so I can use them to boost the normal desklight using some Home Assistant automations.

[1] https://www.ledpanelgrosshandel.de/3-phasenspot-schienenleuc... [2] https://www.greenandco.de/en/seocrap/a-100081 [3] https://www.reichelt.de/de/en/15w-led-tracklight-colorcode-6... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal-halide_lamp

Re: Someone should probably start a bright home lighting company (2019)

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Not "20K lux", but I've spent a fair bit of time improving the lighting in my 1970s home. The thinking back then seemed to be "What's the minimum we can get away with", leading to a dark, shadowy mess.

People have been using broken LCD TVs to build "artificial skylights" for years. I came very close to building one, but my wife balked at me spending $50 on a broken 55" TV. :-)

I recommend searching amazon and home improvement websites for "led panel lights", which seem to be a very similar premade light. They come in many sizes and shapes, many of them are meant for 2x2 or 4x2 foot drop ceiling installation, but others are designed for flush surface mount on drywall.

I put, as a test, a 12" round one in our small laundry room, and the light it makes is a great upgrade from the can light that used to be in there.

For my garage, where I didn't want to spend $600 on a bunch of the panels, I got a dozen LED strip lights that look kind of like tube lights, and spread them all over the ceiling. Provides a nice, even, bright light for when I use it as a workshop. However, over the last 18 months I've had pretty much every one of them "burn out" at least once. I'm guessing that it is the 120V power supply built into each unit that is the problem. The vendor has been good about sending me replacements, they have a 3 year warranty, but I think when they fail again (I'm assuming they will) that I will probably look at either just using 24v LED strips directly, and a ceiling mounted Meanwell powersupply, or maybe I'll look at some of these panel lights.

Another thing I want to do for the garage lights is split them into two groups. Right now I have one switch that controls them all, but I have had limited luck getting my kids to regularly turn them off, leaving 300W of lights burning for hours. I'd probably set up maybe 4 of them to go on from the main switch and the other 10 to have another, less convenient, switch for when I'm doing workshop stuff.

Re: Someone should probably start a bright home lighting company (2019)

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Since you seem to be a heavy user, and if you don’t mind me asking: Has your eye sight deteriorated in those eight years, and how is your sleep quality?

No problems with eyesight. No glasses or anything. I see the light as basically replacing the brightness I would be getting if I wasn’t sitting inside my office instead of outdoors. And sleep: I don’t have any trouble sleeping, no. But as I mentioned, using a such a bright light in the evening will fuck with your day/night rhythm. If I’m not diligent to turn off those lights at sunset, I’ll easily be working up until…

Thank you!

Re: Someone should probably start a bright home lighting company (2019)

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How about bitcoin? It's not so much an idea as a piece of software, but being predicted on wasting energy it's going to do a lot of harm. That's an example of this class of game-theory based ideas. I believe that there are other ideas like that, things that set up spirals that are a lot worse than just "destroy energy to make money". Obviously they're not going to be universally compelling, an idea that's dangerous l…

> That's an example of this class of game-theory based ideas. That's a good point on its own, but it's not a response. At no time did I or anyone here in this thread assert that "info hazards" do not exist. What is being discussed is whether it's worthwhile to be deferential to a person/community who is making claims of being in possession of an exceptionally catastrophic piece of information that by its nature would…

I don't think Yudkowsky is making that claim anywhere?

>At no time did I or anyone here in this thread assert that "info hazards" do not exist.

>What is being discussed is whether it's worthwhile to be deferential to a person who is making claims

It's honestly really not that clear what you're trying to discuss, certainly you haven't been making a clear statement like that. I don't think anyone is making claims of being in possession of such an infohazard for one thing, and if there were I don't think anyone would be saying you should be deferential towards someone who claimed to have one, sight unseen.

I think you're arguing with a bit of a straw man? Like no one is being all "let's be deferential towards Yudkowsky because he has the idea equivalent of a nuke". He doesn't, to the best of my knowledge, claim to have the idea equivalent of a nuke.

I assumed you were claiming that info-hazards don't exist because otherwise what exactly are you claiming?

Anyway, if that was your point, granted. Let's not be differential towards people who claim to have info-hazards, unless they can go into a room and make someone laugh themselves to death or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBWr1KtnRcI

Re: Someone should probably start a bright home lighting company (2019)

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Since the OP is quite courageous about claiming someone "inventing" this in 2017, I'd like to highlight your prior art: > Been using one of those in my office for the last eight years or so. I use a server PSU for power. And as you mention, articles on it have been circulating for even longer.

It's Yudkowsky from LessWrong, he is actually a quite insightful thinker, but his disciples claim stuff like this all the time . LessWrong is an extreme echo chamber. For me the breaking point was Roko's Basilisk, a self-proclaimed "most-dangerous idea of our time".

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Re: Someone should probably start a bright home lighting company (2019)

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Yudkowsky says he and his wife did it in 2014, so it sounds as if it was actually pretty much at the same time as said prior art. (Also, they were specifically doing it as a treatment for SAD ; I don't think Yudkowsky claims novelty for anything other than the idea that SAD might be effectively treated by having very bright indoor lighting all the time rather than e.g. a lightbox that you sit next to for half an hour…

Light as a treatment for SAD has been looked at since 1984, all day exposure is hardly a new idea. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abst...

Right, but for some reason the SAD light boxes you could get produced much less light, so they weren't effective for her.

Re: Someone should probably start a bright home lighting company (2019)

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It's Yudkowsky from LessWrong, he is actually a quite insightful thinker, but his disciples claim stuff like this all the time . LessWrong is an extreme echo chamber. For me the breaking point was Roko's Basilisk, a self-proclaimed "most-dangerous idea of our time".

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In hindsight, I should not have included the comment about Roko's Basilisk. It was really nothing more than a personal observation that had nothing to do with the topic at hand. As a result, this thread attracted a lot of people who have very strong opinions on an off-topic matter, and for that I'm sorry. It muddled an already tense discussion on whether any sane person should take the claim of inventing brightly lit homes in 2017 literally or not. For what it's worth, I would have deleted the Basilisk portion if people hadn't already responded to it.

Re: Someone should probably start a bright home lighting company (2019)

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If you have Hue lights, make sure to upgrade to the new generation that just came out. It's much brighter. The color ones were sold out, but I found it worthwhile to upgrade even though I can't make them blue anymore. Otherwise, Cree is one of the best home bulb brands.

Funny thing about Hue, instead of brighter, I wish they'd go dimmer. If I want more light, I can always get more bulbs. But currently the lowest brightness (at least for the standard white tones bulbs I have) is too bright to work for evening / night scenes.

I've noticed that too, but if you shift hues to be very yellow then it feels a bit darker. I've been satisfied with that.

Re: Someone should probably start a bright home lighting company (2019)

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DIY Perks [1] has a good tutorial on how to make a super bright LED panel from LED strips. Quite easily, actually. Been using one of those in my office for the last eight years or so. I use a server PSU for power. I was surprised to see how bright it is when I once went outside while it was on. Not only was my window the brightest in the entire street by far. But it actually illuminated the trees around my window. If…

I was going to suggest diy perks but thought you were going to link his artificial sun video [1]. I’ve been wanting to build one but not sure where I could fit since it requires a bit more space then a bright led build would. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6bqBsHSwPgw

Jesus Christ. I hadn't actually seen this one. Wow!

You could say he's going overboard in this one, with that fish tank sky simulator thing. But then: How much do we spend on airfare and lodging just to wake up to this kind of light? What an amazing improvement in quality of life this can be.

Thanks for sharing this one!

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