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Re: Putin puts Russia’s nuclear deterrent forces on alert

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Post by grishka »

TestSIM1 wrote: post #39
MrDisposable wrote: post #9

Russia is committing suicide. And I hope it's not a physical suicide. In any case, there's no coming back from this. My earlier prognosis of being trapped in a slavic North Korea technologically enslaved to China is starting to sound like an optimistic outcome.

Well, tomorrow we'll witness the economical suicide. Sberbank - 1$ = 110,49₽ Tinkoff - 1$ = 153,75₽ And the markets are not even opened. For the reference, before Putin started full-scale war against the Ukraine: 1$ = 78.66₽ (23rd Feb)

It's far from the first time rouble has plummeted. Just a reminder that 10 years ago, before this whole Crimea thing, 1$ was around 30₽. In the 90s and early 00s rouble was unstable enough that cellular carriers billed in dollars and many stores had prices in "у.е." that were also dollars just with a different name.

Re: Putin puts Russia’s nuclear deterrent forces on alert

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Post by ankaAr »

ukraineally wrote: post #38
hungryforcodes wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I mean any launch by Russia will be declaration of war on everyone.' Depends on the target. If its the Ukraine -- maybe not.

Like, if they launch on Ukraine. The nuke will go off on its target. Do you feel like the rest of the world who is anxiously watching what is happening will sit back and do nothing?

That is basically what they are doing now, sit back and do nothing.

Just some economics sanctions...

Re: Putin puts Russia’s nuclear deterrent forces on alert

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Post by BbzzbB »

ukraineally wrote: post #38
hungryforcodes wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I mean any launch by Russia will be declaration of war on everyone.' Depends on the target. If its the Ukraine -- maybe not.

Like, if they launch on Ukraine. The nuke will go off on its target. Do you feel like the rest of the world who is anxiously watching what is happening will sit back and do nothing?

There's some game theory here I hope we don't get to test, but you could rationalize why the West wouldn't retaliate with more nuclear bombs despite MAD (or rather because of). For instance, not walking into a nuclear apocalypse.

Re: Putin puts Russia’s nuclear deterrent forces on alert

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Post by Scarblac »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #4

Putin is full of hot air. I believe with how this is going, one of his advisors or generals will kill him before allowing him to actually fire nukes and initiate MAD. These people might be ok letting him play war in the Ukraine but inviting annihilation from the rest of the world? I'm not so sure. But then again, it doesn't seem like there's a lot of rational behavior coming out of Putin's Russia.

I'm afraid anybody with the integrity to do something like that has been removed from power a long time ago already. Putin is surrounded by scared yes men, and he's always said there are strategic uses for nuclear weapons, not just a last line of defense by MAD.

Re: Putin puts Russia’s nuclear deterrent forces on alert

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Post by SahAssar »

sAbakumoff wrote: post #3

Time to ask HN: how do you want to spend the last days of your life?

Some tips from the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy:

  “I thought,” he said, “that if the world was going to end we were meant to lie down or put a paper bag over our head or something.”

  “If you like, yes,” said Ford.

  “Will that help?” asked the barman.

  “No,” said Ford and gave him a friendly smile.

Re: Putin puts Russia’s nuclear deterrent forces on alert

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Post by aww_dang »

I read this as Russia's nuclear forces going on the next highest level of alert.

They've gone from level zero preparedness to level one. What else can be expected here?

I appreciate that any threat of nuclear war is disturbing, but I don't read this as reason to head for the bunker. It isn't nuclear brinksmanship as much as an order for nuclear forces to be slightly more ready than the baseline.

If you are concerned, do the prudent thing and stock up on non-perishables. Have barterable commodities on hand. These are reasonable and non-hysterical actions which are appropriate in all situations. Taking proactive measures will reduce doomscroll induced anxiety.

Re: Putin puts Russia’s nuclear deterrent forces on alert

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Post by notreallyserio »

TestSIM1 wrote: post #39
MrDisposable wrote: post #9

Russia is committing suicide. And I hope it's not a physical suicide. In any case, there's no coming back from this. My earlier prognosis of being trapped in a slavic North Korea technologically enslaved to China is starting to sound like an optimistic outcome.

Well, tomorrow we'll witness the economical suicide. Sberbank - 1$ = 110,49₽ Tinkoff - 1$ = 153,75₽ And the markets are not even opened. For the reference, before Putin started full-scale war against the Ukraine: 1$ = 78.66₽ (23rd Feb)

What do you mean when you say "Sberbank - 1$ = 110,49₽" and "Tinkoff - 1$ = 153,75₽"? Are these different exchange rates for different banks?

Re: Putin puts Russia’s nuclear deterrent forces on alert

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Post by helge9210 »

morpheos137 wrote: post #44
helge9210 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> slavic North Korea Russian Federation is mostly not slavic. Secession of federation regions (as it happened with USSR) is the next step on the path of the least resistance.

You do realise that Russians are Slavs, correct?

The phrase "Grattez le Russe, et vous verrez un Tartare" (Scratch a Russian and you'll find a Tatar) wasn't invented yesterday.

"Slavic Russians" are mostly Belarusians (Smolensk Region) or forcibly assimilated Ukrainians (Bryansk, Kursk, Voronezh) or not even assimilated Ukrainians in Kuban (they still speak Ukrainian, but have their own name for it).

Re: Putin puts Russia’s nuclear deterrent forces on alert

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Post by retrac »

goblin89 wrote: post #47
morpheos137 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realise that Russians are Slavs, correct?

There is an argument that stereotypical ethnic Russians are Finno-Ugric people. Moreover, if you go almost anywhere in Siberia, 50% or more of the locals will be of ethnic minorities native to the area (you may describe their appearance as Asian). More in rural areas. Many regions are dual language, Russian + indigenous. This includes the largest administrative region on Earth that is not a country.

> ethnic stereotypical Russians are Finno-Ugric people

They speak Russian, a Slavic language. The culture is clearly linked and descended from the Old Slavonic people.

I'd love to know about the thinking as I'm scratching my head here. This is the first I've heard this claim and I am half Finnish, quarter Russian by ethnicity. My grandparents certainly did not think they were from the same ethnic group.

Re: Putin puts Russia’s nuclear deterrent forces on alert

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Post by goblin89 »

retrac wrote: post #59
goblin89 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is an argument that stereotypical ethnic Russians are Finno-Ugric people. Moreover, if you go almost anywhere in Siberia, 50% or more of the locals will be of ethnic minorities native to the area (you may describe their appearance as Asian). More in rural areas. Many regions are dual language, Russian + indigenous. This includes the largest administrative region on Earth that is not a country.

> ethnic stereotypical Russians are Finno-Ugric people They speak Russian, a Slavic language. The culture is clearly linked and descended from the Old Slavonic people. I'd love to know about the thinking as I'm scratching my head here. This is the first I've heard this claim and I am half Finnish, quarter Russian by ethnicity. My grandparents certainly did not think they were from the same ethnic group.

The first argument is theoretical and controversial. The second point is not.
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