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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the Lex Fridman Podcast [video]

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Post by ozten »

KaiserPro wrote: post #108
ozten wrote: post #74

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Kent Bye and others are doing great work around building an XR Ethics framework [1] XR will soon not only include eye tracking, but full brain computer interfaces with very rich data on how you are reacting to stimuli. [2] If you think only gamers will strap a box to their head, XR includes augmented reality such as more socially acceptable lightweight glasses. Facebook is working with Ray Ban sunglasses to avoid the…

> XR will soon not only include eye tracking, but full brain computer interfaces with very rich data on how you are reacting to stimuli. [2] VR and AR will have eye tracking in the next generation of headsets. However at the moment unless its trained to your eyes, its pretty inaccurate >5degrees off. Brain computer interfaces, are a way off. Yes there are ecg style hairnets, but we've not managed to generalise that y…

Thanks for the insights. One doesn't need a Matrix style port into the brain.

Valve and OpenBCI have working Index headsets with EEG and bio-feedback data. Reasonable use cases are fine-tuning game play based on the players stress and enjoyment of different experiences. Today you can buy widget [1] that allow you to control objects in VR (if that game has used the SDK) with your mind my focusing attention on them [2].

Cambridge Analytica used just content and click data! (to build the most accurate map of various countries voting populations and identify key cultural fissures to exploit)

[1] https://www.next-mind.com/

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMXfyZc_Gvg&t=221s

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the Lex Fridman Podcast [video]

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Post by ok123456 »

tinyhouse wrote: post #104
ok123456 wrote: post #69

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you don't 'get a postdoc'. It's not a degree. It's a job you get that requires a PhD. It's a form a purgatory until you can get a real academic job. The goal of a post doc is to continue to do research work where you're the first position on publications to pad your CV to the point where it looks impressive enough when you're out giving job talks for tenure track positions. If you have a very strong PhD thesis, produ…

A postdoc is not a PhD but it can also be competitive in good places. Very hard to skip that step these days unless you're a superstar, even in CS. But it doesn't really matter. Are you trying to discredit him in some way? It's actually even more impressive he got to where he got without a degree from a top school. He needed to work harder than others.

His connections (his dad is a distinguished professor of mechanical engineering) had more to do with that than hard work.

Getting out of purgatory was also competitive.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the Lex Fridman Podcast [video]

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Post by qiskit »

robbedpeter wrote: post #114
EschatonCometh wrote: post #3

One robot interviews another. Who will pass the Turing Test? Lex has access like no other. Such a great interviewer.

I'm wondering if he's somehow going to get Putin to sit down and talk. If anyone could, it seems to be Lex Fridman. Zelensky seems more likely.

Wouldn't surprise me if he had God on his podcast one day. I understand why people go on JRE, it's a huge platform. What's surprising is the quality of guests Fridman gets on his podcast, even when the podcast was relatively small. Who is this guy?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the Lex Fridman Podcast [video]

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Post by VirusNewbie »

briHass wrote: post #46
VirusNewbie wrote: post #32

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But it would be a totally different conversation. Sean Carrol and Lex have both interviewed Wolfram, same discussion but done in a different way. I quite like that sometimes you get to hear Lex actually work through the implications or understanding of what the interviewee claims, rather than just being a listener.

But in that specific example (Wolfram on both podcasts), Carrol asked questions that clearly demonstrated a deep understanding of not only the subject matter (he is a theoretical physicist comfortable with advanced mathematics after all), but he also probed Wolfram on areas where his theory might be challenged. Lex did more of an 'everyman's' take on that conversation, which is fine, but certainly not at Carrol's lev…

I don't quite agree there. Carrol clearly has a deep understanding of physics while Lex doesn't and was able to probe in deeper ways on that front, but the opposite is true when it comes to an understanding of computation.

Lex was very interested in the universal substrate rewrite analogy to a turing machine and all of the implications of that, while Sean kind of glossed over that.

Carrol seems to be the overall more educated of the two, but at the same time has a more sophomoric understanding of the theory of computation.

Come to think of it, overall it seems to be a weak spot amongst well known physicists, Wolfram excepted.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the Lex Fridman Podcast [video]

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Post by qiskit »

silisili wrote: post #115

Having finally watched the whole thing, just writing some thoughts below...for those who maybe didn't or can't watch. 1 - Zuck really, really is all in on the metaverse thing. I was never sure if it was his idea, or he sees a trend, etc, but now I'm convinced it's all his idea. I find it odd but interesting someone with essentially unlimited real life resources seeks such escape. 1.5 - I think he also overestimates i…

> 1 - Zuck really, really is all in on the metaverse thing. I was never sure if it was his idea, or he sees a trend, etc, but now I'm convinced it's all his idea.

It's not just zuck. Microsoft, google, apple, etc are all focused on it. Nadella and others have called it the next internet. So the entire tech industry is betting big on it. Microsoft just spend billions of Activision in preparation for the metaverse.

https://accelerationeconomy.com/cloud/satya-nadella-the-meta...

And it's not all his idea. A company the size of facebook doesn't work that way. He has final say, but he has a team working for him. And as I stated, it's an industry-wide thing. Not just a facebook or zuckerburg thing. Whether it amounts to much, we'll just have to wait and see. But my money is on zuckerburg, nadella, cook, etc.

> 1.5 - I think he also overestimates its success. He pretty much sees everyone using it for work, gaming, friend interactions, etc. I just can't see it being so ubiquitous.

People said the same thing about social media and smartphones.

> 2 - I was a little frustrated because he seemed so... unemotional. Being asked about bullying, suicides... most things that would make people stop, think, or even choke up...

No it wouldn't. People are able to talk about things without getting emotional. It's the basis of all rational debate/discourse. Are you right now crying uncontrollably because we are talking about bullying, suicides, etc? Of course not. The only reason he'd do it is if his PR team said fake tears work well on the braindead public. It's why so many in media ( from Rachel Maddow to Stephen Colbert ) were crying on-air. An easy way to manipulated the masses that waste their lives watching them.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the Lex Fridman Podcast [video]

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Post by silisili »

qiskit wrote: post #145
silisili wrote: post #115

Having finally watched the whole thing, just writing some thoughts below...for those who maybe didn't or can't watch. 1 - Zuck really, really is all in on the metaverse thing. I was never sure if it was his idea, or he sees a trend, etc, but now I'm convinced it's all his idea. I find it odd but interesting someone with essentially unlimited real life resources seeks such escape. 1.5 - I think he also overestimates i…

> 1 - Zuck really, really is all in on the metaverse thing. I was never sure if it was his idea, or he sees a trend, etc, but now I'm convinced it's all his idea. It's not just zuck. Microsoft, google, apple, etc are all focused on it. Nadella and others have called it the next internet. So the entire tech industry is betting big on it. Microsoft just spend billions of Activision in preparation for the metaverse. htt…

> Are you right now crying uncontrollably because we are talking about bullying, suicides, etc.

Well, no.

But if I had created a product and learned it was being used to torment children until they killed themselves, then yes, I absolutely would feel gutted and likely cry. Perhaps I'm too empathetic to be a CEO, which is fitting I guess - I'll never be one.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the Lex Fridman Podcast [video]

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Post by ausbah »

ok123456 wrote: post #140
ausbah wrote: post #87

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and that discredits him somehow?

Well he did stop doing anything that you could classify as research, and decided to become a youtube talk-show host instead. It's almost as if he was there just long enough to associate his name with the school as an ends to impress dumb people.

https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=wZH_N7cAAAAJ...

he's had his name on publications over the past few years while still doing the podcast

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the Lex Fridman Podcast [video]

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Post by moogly »

silisili wrote: post #139
strich wrote: post #138

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> Also saying people will spend as much on virtual clothes as real clothes feels offbase, but maybe I'm wrong. As a gamedev I can absolutely believe this. You don't have to spend much time googling the breakdown of consumer spend in the games industry to see that this is absolutely, sadly, true. But they don't need to spend all their time in those metaverse to do that.

Isn't the cost different? Asking in earnest, it's been years since I've been big into gaming. I remember xbox avatars charging a couple dollars for an outfit, whereas a typical casual outfit for me would be 50 to 70 dollars

Dota2 cosmetics can cost much more than that figure, depending on if you buy it outright or grind for it.

https://win.gg/news/how-much-does-the-drow-ranger-arcana-rea...

Oh, and most of the additional battlepass rewards are just temporary.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the Lex Fridman Podcast [video]

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Post by ok123456 »

ausbah wrote: post #147
ok123456 wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well he did stop doing anything that you could classify as research, and decided to become a youtube talk-show host instead. It's almost as if he was there just long enough to associate his name with the school as an ends to impress dumb people.

https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=wZH_N7cAAAAJ... he's had his name on publications over the past few years while still doing the podcast

last position and chi pablum

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the Lex Fridman Podcast [video]

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Post by Buldak »

W0lf wrote: post #71
emerged wrote: post #37

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I always have the sense that Lex thinks himself several tiers more intelligent than he actually is. So most of the interviews I have this cringe facepalm feeling which is distracting. Joe Rogan is super self deprecating which helps counter that feeling.

Thanks for pointing this out as I share the same opinion regarding Lex. For me personally it‘s that his behavior during his podcasts doesn’t match up to the intellectual shallowness of his questions and thinkings which drives me a bit crazy, e.g. a deep concerned look, a long pause and then.. an obvious statement or something along this line

Yes, I've been somewhat baffled by the suggestion that Lex is some kind of boy genius. I find many of his questions incredibly inane (asking "What is the most beautiful idea in mathematics?" over and over again). I keep watching because the guests are great, but I don't think much of Lex's ability to really engage with their ideas.
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