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Things you notice when you quit the news (2016)

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Post by harry8 »

eyelidlessness wrote: post #730
harry8 wrote: post #718

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"Objectively I'm right and all the positions I hold and advocate for are beyond reproach. Objectively anyone making less effort than me to make the world a better place in the manner of my preference is a biased, bad faith actor." --Things not said out loud. Striving for objectivity is allowing for ones own bias and acknowledging the validity of facts and arguments that do not support one's own view on the matter. In…

> In reporting it is attempting to make one's own view on the matter irrelevant to the content written. This is impossible. Part of the determination of what to report is what’s important to even report on in the first place. Omission, or emphasis of stories otherwise reported objectively correctly, is a bias too. The rest of your comment… I sincerely can’t tell if you’re objecting to anything I said or just generall…

>This is impossible

Yes. A perfect engineering trade-off is impossible. So flipping what. Do you want someone's best work? Do you want someone who is good at the job of engineering design's best work designing a machine you have to trust? Perfection is impossible as you point out.

Objective reality exists. I find those trying to achieve objectivity in their reporting of that objective reality worthwhile. You don't. Good luck.

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Post by coolso »

Clubber wrote: post #692
strictlybiznes wrote: post #647

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Neocon*

Neoliberalism is not related to liberalism, its economics theory we've been living in since Reagan. Ds and Rs embrace it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism Neoconservatism is more a social theory, i.e. pushback from 60s social liberals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

The Wikipedia article is quite misleading; the current neoliberal movement absolutely leans left. In modern usage, neoliberal refers to a particular type of liberal/Democrat.

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Post by psd1 »

lodovic wrote: post #598
andrepd wrote: post #548

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That someone can honestly say with a straight face that "the Economist is left-facing" speaks volumes to the sad state of the Overton window.

You keep repeating the Economist is rightwing in this thread, but it seems most here disagree with you. I mean, Fox, Breitbart or the NY Post are pretty much rightwing, and the Economist does not even compare, both in tone and in content. What puts them in the right wing camp according to yo?

What is "left" and what is "right" is a question of consensus, of course. The Eke is surely considered right-wing in Britain, and likely in most of Europe.

Re: Things you notice when you quit the news (2016)

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Post by rurp »

webkike wrote: post #352
rurp wrote: post #336

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> feel free to carry on and go book your vacation to the Ukraine, drive a Volkswagen, work for facebook... These could all be researched at the time of purchase though. There's nothing in the daily news about VW or Ukraine that can't be learned more efficiently by doing some research just before purchasing a vehicle or vacation. There's nothing wrong with keeping tabs on the latest headlines, I personally do so and a…

The post lists several other things along with those examples that I think DO make it essential: > use too much water during a drought season, have your garden furniture blow through your windows when that storm rolls in, have a BBQ during a high-risk fire season If you’re going to check if there’s a drought every time you use water - congratulations, you’re reading the news!

I am very skeptical of the effectiveness of combating something like a drought by hoping most adults read about it on the news and individually decide to take appropriate actions. These sorts of cases need to be handled at the government and utility level.

I live in a drought stricken region and everybody here is well aware of it, regardless of their news habits, because they learn about it from many other sources.

As one example, the water district regularly sends out fliers telling people there is a drought, making suggestions on how to conserve water, adding restrictions on water use, and more. These messages are far more ubiqutous and effective than current news articles.

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Post by mirceal »

themacguffinman wrote: post #511
mirceal wrote: post #498

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so, at one point I planned a trip to New York and a hurricane made an appearance in the area. Had to cancel everything (you could not fly in there) and we actually got automatic refunds on anything. If this can happen with New York and a hurricane it can definitely happen with Ukraine and a war. What does spending all that time clueless mean? I'm sorry but I just don't buy it. >Uh, are you saying that if I live in a…

Spending all that time clueless means that you're wasting time you could have spent reacting to the situation. It's not just about refunds, if you blocked out four weeks for a doomed vacation, then knowing that the vacation is doomed in advance will give you time to prepare an alternate itinerary for those four weeks rather than finding out perhaps a few days beforehand. > The water company will tell you, the bill yo…

it's a tradeoff between time wasted to react to the situation and time wasted to keep yourself informed. Based on my own experience the time you need to adapt to the situation is a fraction from the time you spend watching the news.

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Post by NylaTheWolf »

ROTMetro wrote: post #347
MBCook wrote: post #270

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Come to think of it have you considered writing an article about this? You have a very unique perspective since most people experienced it as it happed (proverbial frog in the boiling pot). I bet a number of outlets might be interested in publishing it, or you could DIY on Medium or Substack or something.

Yeah no. Already have a heavy load and my life is already F'd enough, I can't be putting any more rocks into my load by amplifying attention on me in any way thanks. Plus a guy six months out still has a lot of mental issues, not back to being human yet :) A year living in a space smaller than an elevator with another person, a bunk bed, and desk with no out time because COVID doesn't help. On the plus side when you…

I wish you the best of luck!

I'm glad that HN has been able to provide you with some resources. It's really nice to see the more wholesome side of HN, and I'm actually going to have to bookmark some of these to check out later.

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Post by onethought »

hutzlibu wrote: post #721
macksd wrote: post #715

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So 17 levels below a comment I made about the news just making everyone angry and addicted to it, people are still commenting about whether Nazis are economically left or right. I guess that tracks.

Oh, people can always fight about and against nazis. But I am not angry, just mildly annoyed, that my point does not get through. (my point was the left right metric is not helpful - but when applied, you will find not a homogenous group, but right leaning nazis, as well as left leaning nazis, when defining right or left with distributing or conserving wealth. Another common definition would be racist, or not. But I…

Perhaps we were talking past each other. You were saying left and right is useless because you can have left and right nazi's or left and right socialists. I was saying left and right is useful: Nazi and Socialist are the meaningless label.

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Post by Forgeties79 »

harry8 wrote: post #632
eyelidlessness wrote: post #566

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Ah yes. “Objectivity” is often used as lacking bias. Truth and clarity require taking a position and advocating it. The only way that’s unbiased is if there isn’t anything at stake in the truth or clarity thereof.

Objectively the acceleration due to gravity on earth is 9.8 meters per second squared. The above statement is both true and clear within certain bounds on precision to anyone not playing sillies and who isn't very stupid. That example is a really easy one. It obviously gets harder the more complex the subject matter becomes. This post-modern, "there's no such thing as objective reality" and one must take "a position"…

When did WWII start?

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Post by pixiemagic »

dijonman2 wrote: post #470
pklausler wrote: post #355

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I loved the Atlantic until they started sponsoring "happiness" seminars with Deepak Chopra.

Can you explain what the issue is with this? I don’t understand the reference.

Deepak Chopra is a prominent and controversial figure in "wellness" and "alternative medicine", promoting "quantum healing" and claiming that it can cure cancer and so on. It's widely accused of being psuedoscience.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepak_Chopra

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Post by eyelidlessness »

harry8 wrote: post #731
eyelidlessness wrote: post #730

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> In reporting it is attempting to make one's own view on the matter irrelevant to the content written. This is impossible. Part of the determination of what to report is what’s important to even report on in the first place. Omission, or emphasis of stories otherwise reported objectively correctly, is a bias too. The rest of your comment… I sincerely can’t tell if you’re objecting to anything I said or just generall…

>This is impossible Yes. A perfect engineering trade-off is impossible. So flipping what. Do you want someone's best work? Do you want someone who is good at the job of engineering design's best work designing a machine you have to trust? Perfection is impossible as you point out. Objective reality exists. I find those trying to achieve objectivity in their reporting of that objective reality worthwhile. You don't. G…

Wow, coming back to this a few days later, you’re a jerk. A jerk who literally doesn’t care to engage with the things you’re arguing with. Objective my foot.
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