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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the Lex Fridman Podcast [video]

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Post by type0 »

briHass wrote: post #39
kaesar14 wrote: post #4

It sucks that the Lex podcast has maybe the best guests of any podcast out there right now and he's such a terrible interviewer. Seriously, give me this guest list with Rogan on the other side any day of the week.

I hate to admit it, but I tend to agree. In my opinion, Lex has actually gotten worse as he has done more interviews. Now, he seems to feel comfortable taking up huge chunks of the conversation with incoherent non-sequiturs. He tends to do better when the topic is math/AI related (due to his knowledge) and does worse the farther the topic is from that narrow focus. Rogan started off bad, but he became an excellent in…

Rogan practices his comedic speeches all the time before standup and works as a UFC commentator. You really can't beat him at that game, Lex it seems is not even trying to be good at it, it's too bad but I can't stand to listen to him.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the Lex Fridman Podcast [video]

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Post by gcr »

Evan_Hellmuth wrote: post #98

I’m stoked for VR to gain more adoption so I can hang with my friends who live across the country. That’s the killer app for me - a platform that all my friends use so we can have spontaneous casual hang outs!

that's a great idea! let's call it something simple, like just "Hangouts"

Then to solve adoption, let's make it a website so people can visit it without installing anything!

And maybe if it could be spearheaded by a large company like Google, that'd be even better!

Personally I'd love a service where I could drop in and out of one of these "Google Hangouts" throughout the day, maybe even made accessible by removing the complexity of VR, seeing my friends' cameras would be good enough for me :)

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the Lex Fridman Podcast [video]

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Post by nurbl »

kaesar14 wrote: post #23
mindcrime wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meh. What's Joe Rogan gonna ask somebody like Jim Keller or Yann Lecun? Does he know enough about either of their respective fields to even frame an interesting question beyond "do you smoke weed?" or "Should people get the COVID vaccine?", "who will be the next UFC lightweight champion?", etc. Don't get me wrong here: I am a huge Rogan fan. And some Fridman guests would, IMO, be great with Rogan as well (Zuck, for e…

Give me Sean Carroll then. Lex spends too much of his interviews talking about himself or his feelings on some matter. Seriously, I couldn’t care less about Lex’s feelings on the subject - what makes Joe and Sean so good is the ability to ask questions, listen, empathize, and contextualize information from the guest. Joe’s worst episodes and the things people hate him for are when he strays from that formula and says…

Sean Carroll is my favorite interview podcaster. Maybe it's my physics bias but his guests are often from very different areas and he still finds good questions, keeps a humble attitude of wanting to understand, and doesn't take up too much room. The discussions stay on topic and often go pretty deep.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the Lex Fridman Podcast [video]

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Post by tinyhouse »

ok123456 wrote: post #69
hollerith wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then he got a postdoc at MIT.

you don't 'get a postdoc'. It's not a degree. It's a job you get that requires a PhD. It's a form a purgatory until you can get a real academic job. The goal of a post doc is to continue to do research work where you're the first position on publications to pad your CV to the point where it looks impressive enough when you're out giving job talks for tenure track positions. If you have a very strong PhD thesis, produ…

A postdoc is not a PhD but it can also be competitive in good places. Very hard to skip that step these days unless you're a superstar, even in CS. But it doesn't really matter. Are you trying to discredit him in some way? It's actually even more impressive he got to where he got without a degree from a top school. He needed to work harder than others.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the Lex Fridman Podcast [video]

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Post by type0 »

emerged wrote: post #37
kaesar14 wrote: post #4

It sucks that the Lex podcast has maybe the best guests of any podcast out there right now and he's such a terrible interviewer. Seriously, give me this guest list with Rogan on the other side any day of the week.

I always have the sense that Lex thinks himself several tiers more intelligent than he actually is. So most of the interviews I have this cringe facepalm feeling which is distracting. Joe Rogan is super self deprecating which helps counter that feeling.

> I always have the sense that Lex thinks himself several tiers more intelligent than he actually is.

Another podcast talker with a bad case of unwarranted self-importance is Sam Harris, sometimes he takes his head out of his ass but only for short periods.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the Lex Fridman Podcast [video]

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Post by syspec »

capableweb wrote: post #88
syspec wrote: post #72

It's easy to poke fun at Mark because he's mega rich and can come off a little stiff, but he's pretty interesting to listen when he's speaking without a script. Here's Mark when he was 21 giving a lecture at Harvard's CS50: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFFs9UgOAlE

It's also possible for be interesting at one point in their life, and as the world around them changes together with their own mind changes, they fall into the category of not being interesting anymore. Or, similarly to many crazy world leaders, they can become "interesting" in the sense of how evil and crazy they sound when they talk about their ideas.

That's a good point, people can definitely become uninteresting. I'd say he's still interesting, but more guarded which is uninteresting... If that makes sense

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the Lex Fridman Podcast [video]

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Post by erulabs »

gcr wrote: post #102
Evan_Hellmuth wrote: post #98

I’m stoked for VR to gain more adoption so I can hang with my friends who live across the country. That’s the killer app for me - a platform that all my friends use so we can have spontaneous casual hang outs!

that's a great idea! let's call it something simple, like just "Hangouts" Then to solve adoption, let's make it a website so people can visit it without installing anything! And maybe if it could be spearheaded by a large company like Google, that'd be even better! Personally I'd love a service where I could drop in and out of one of these "Google Hangouts" throughout the day, maybe even made accessible by removing t…

The internet is stupid because writing letters is perfectly good. The metaverse might be boring but it’s not nearly as boring as those who can’t use their imagination even a little.

I know it’s bad form to reply to snark with snark but I can’t help myself. If there was no market for this in the age of video chat - why do people still fly anywhere? Why am I excited when my friends come to town?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the Lex Fridman Podcast [video]

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Post by KaiserPro »

ozten wrote: post #74
LinuxBender wrote: post #35

I can see value in the future of VR/AR but I am curious about a few things. - Will there be a balance of open source self hosted VR/AR solutions or will Meta dominate all of this? Along that line do any of the hardware developers provide unrestricted open source SDK's that are easy for developers to integrate into their software? - Will everyone have to be tied into Meta and tracked around everything they do and Meta…

Kent Bye and others are doing great work around building an XR Ethics framework [1] XR will soon not only include eye tracking, but full brain computer interfaces with very rich data on how you are reacting to stimuli. [2] If you think only gamers will strap a box to their head, XR includes augmented reality such as more socially acceptable lightweight glasses. Facebook is working with Ray Ban sunglasses to avoid the…

> XR will soon not only include eye tracking, but full brain computer interfaces with very rich data on how you are reacting to stimuli. [2]

VR and AR will have eye tracking in the next generation of headsets. However at the moment unless its trained to your eyes, its pretty inaccurate >5degrees off.

Brain computer interfaces, are a way off. Yes there are ecg style hairnets, but we've not managed to generalise that yet. (we know this because Musk has confidently predicted a timeline for his BCI endeavour.)

But that isn't the major risk here.

We know that glasses need to be light, and not look stupid. This means that we need to optimise to the point of insanity how we manage power. This basically means that its impossible to jump out to the cloud and have battery life. The power budget for an all day wearable is something like 2.5wh

So the risk of facebook listening in to all things is pretty small. especially given that they really don't have the compute capacity to manage it.

This leads me to my point, AR will be local only for most things. but it will have things like build in "friend/object finder" and precise always on mm accurate location services. (its the only way to make AR content workable)

The privacy problem comes in when people start to realise that they can make apps for these glasses that access the camera, A network of cameras that have ultra precise global pose (that is lat, lon, height and roll pitch and yaw of the camera) with inbuilt face detection, you'll have a pretty great stalking network.

Now, so far so logical. Where it gets fun is here, if we allow open source, unrestricted access to hardware, it means that people can build and distribute these apps with little friction. Our present society cannot handle this.

I do don't know what the answer is. AR has great potential for helping people. But I suspect its going to be a total shitshow.

Do I think it'll be a shitshow because Facebook make it? no, I think Facebook will have to make the _most_ secure/privacy respecting system and prove it just to be taken seriously. Its the Apple/startup version I worry about. AR and privacy don't really mix. Butu we are going to kid ourselves that this isnt true for many years.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the Lex Fridman Podcast [video]

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Post by andy_ppp »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #91
syspec wrote: post #72

It's easy to poke fun at Mark because he's mega rich and can come off a little stiff, but he's pretty interesting to listen when he's speaking without a script. Here's Mark when he was 21 giving a lecture at Harvard's CS50: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFFs9UgOAlE

I like Mark but I don't personally use any Meta products.

Is that because meta products use you?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the Lex Fridman Podcast [video]

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Post by lrhegeba »

optimalsolver wrote: post #45
kaesar14 wrote: post #4

It sucks that the Lex podcast has maybe the best guests of any podcast out there right now and he's such a terrible interviewer. Seriously, give me this guest list with Rogan on the other side any day of the week.

I'm also curious how Lex managed the get the calibre of guests he did right off the bat. I understand he was some kind of MIT whizkid, but I don't know much about him beyond that.

His father is a first-class scientist with lots of connections, that certainly helped with access (https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=3rHlt_wAAAAJ&hl=en)
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