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Re: The underground economy of solitary confinement

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Post by iudqnolq »

oh_sigh wrote: post #156
uoaei wrote: post #143

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I don't see how you can read that and take the word of that attorney general as anything but self-serving CYA bullshit. Even ignoring for the moment the deferment of local news outlets to government officials' press releases, instead of actual journalism, the story simply doesn't line up. Plus when your only defense is "you haven't proven it beyond a reasonable doubt (because of all of the attempts to make it impossi…

Sorry, but I have a standard of not engaging with people who use the term "bootlicking" like this, because I've literally not once in my life seen someone use that term and also engage in an honest conversation.

I feel the same for those who assume as true statements by cops in their own interest, with no evidence, when they deliberately chose not to have any evidence.

Re: The underground economy of solitary confinement

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Post by iudqnolq »

ROTMetro wrote: post #96
mywittyname wrote: post #88

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> jailhouse lawyers What does this mean? Were you a regular lawyer before becoming a jailhouse lawyer? Are you a regular lawyer after being a jailhouse lawyer?

Jailhouse lawyers are normally self taught in prison and will help others out for a fee as their hustle. They help with things like stopping child support payments, filing for divorce, clearing up any outstanding tickets and detainers so guys can go to halfway house, all the way to challenging people's convictions.

(I'm sure you know this) They're also sometimes an official way for the prisons to meet their constitutional duty to let people challenge the terms of their imprisonment. If you're thinking "wait, they can't just declare a random person whose read some books enough of a lawyer to help people" you'd be wrong.

Re: The underground economy of solitary confinement

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Post by lotsofpulp »

20after4 wrote: post #158
lotsofpulp wrote: post #70

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It is not in any single employer’s interest to take on the risks of hiring a felon, as long as the supply of labor remains plentiful.

There are a lot of people with a felony record who pose zero additional risk to their employer. Of course it depends on the person and it depends on the job. It certainly doesn't make sense to have a strict policy against all felons regardless of individual circumstances.

It depends on labor supply and demand curves. If it did not make sense, there would be an arbitrage opportunity for an employer by employing felons, but I have not heard of that happening on a large scale, at least at a white collar firm.

I find it ironic, though, to want to seek shelter in BRK to avoid a too tech heavy SPY, when BRK itself has maintained relevancy only by investing disproportionately in AAPL. It would seem prudent to cut out the BRK middleman and just directly invest in AAPL if one wants to emulate BRK’s success.

Re: The underground economy of solitary confinement

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Post by xapata »

t-writescode wrote: post #128
xapata wrote: post #111

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> if I can’t say that to people making poverty wages and being trapped, I can’t say they to prison guards, either Indeed. I think the same for everyone. Poverty is not an excuse for brutality.

Agreed. I wasn't trying to excuse brutality, I don't think. I definitely need to spend more time on this series of thought about what maybe I would do in the circumstance - or what I should expect myself to do to live up to my own standard.

I suspect humans are far more malleable than they realize, and personalities change quickly with different contexts. For example, I am sure many Ukrainians who are now enlisting would have said they'd never kill another human.

Re: The underground economy of solitary confinement

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Post by uoaei »

oh_sigh wrote: post #156
uoaei wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see how you can read that and take the word of that attorney general as anything but self-serving CYA bullshit. Even ignoring for the moment the deferment of local news outlets to government officials' press releases, instead of actual journalism, the story simply doesn't line up. Plus when your only defense is "you haven't proven it beyond a reasonable doubt (because of all of the attempts to make it impossi…

Sorry, but I have a standard of not engaging with people who use the term "bootlicking" like this, because I've literally not once in my life seen someone use that term and also engage in an honest conversation.

You see one now. Open your eyes :)

Willing to have an honest conversation if you don't derail it with self-aggrandizing, pre-emptive character assassination based on incredibly tenuous associations.

Right wingers love to rail against cancel culture but have yet to fully recognize that they have employed the tactic forever with exactly the deflectionary style as above.

Ready to talk when you are but I won't hold my breath. If you decide to engage please bring something other than a parrot trained on police press releases.

Re: The underground economy of solitary confinement

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Post by rootusrootus »

kindatrue wrote: post #63
matheusmoreira wrote: post #20

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Holy shit I didn't know that. Those guards belong in jail themselves, what they did is torture. Prison exists to remove from society people who are incompatible with it, nothing more and even that must be constantly questioned and re-evaluated. Nobody deserves to have their dignity stripped away like that.

Once you fall into Prison Conditions Twitters, it's pretty eye opening. Like the guy who was boiled to death with hot water for funsies: https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/florida-wont-charge-priso... Or where rat poison is regularly fed: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/22-rikers-island-prisoners-sic...

> the guy who was boiled to death with hot water

Not only should the guards be up on charges, so should everyone else in the chain of command. 180F from a shower? That's insane, it shouldn't even be possible.

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