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Make Linux look like Windows 95

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Re: Make Linux look like Windows 95

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It seems to have the same icky "material" design look forward which makes me puke in my mouth. I have been wanting to rant on this, so I will do it here. To anyone working in design, the "material" design is not it. Look at this: https://twitter.com/vectaio/status/1018697206776225794?s=21 And compare it to this: http://www.visguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/aws-shapes-... What is the purpose of an icon and which o…

I find it funny that you use AWS as the better example, because I find native cloud product ranges notoriously hard to understand. Everybody tries to find some weird name for things we had for a while. EC2, S3, Route 53... Why not simply call it Virtual Machines, File Storage and DNS. It would make it so much easier to start. Even the somewhat better icons don't help, if you have to learn what the fancy names stands…

I have faced the opposite problem. When talking to people, even when we were using GCS or Azure, I find myself refering to those services using AWS terms (when applicable). And that is not because I have used AWS the most but because their names are much easier to refer to then saying Cloud Storage (Google Cloud) or Storage Account Blob Container (Azure)... and most people I talk to are familiar with AWS terms.

That's for the same reason I want to refer to my cousin by his first name, and not "My fathers second brothers oldest son", unless I am introducing him to people who don't know him and need to know that detail about him.

Once you know S3, you know what S3 is... and when you don't you can look it up until you do. After that, that makes communication much easier.

Of course, you need to keep in mind who you are talking to and refer to those services by what it means to your audience... or introduce those terms if you have to, to your audience. But for most people, this is rather rare, so why optimise for this rare communication?

Most of the time, we are talking to people who know the names and it becomes so much eaiser to communicate. We skip the description of description of what we are talking about every time we mention it. Having short names optimises the names for the conversations that happen the most, which is the great design.

Re: Make Linux look like Windows 95

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A long time ago I noticed that Internet cafe/computer lab users did not conceptualize things like “which operating system is being used” and simply looked for “familiar way to open a browser”

So any home screen+icon+square application representation was fine for them

at a certain point Ubuntu with just a browser icon reduced user error and friction

Re: Make Linux look like Windows 95

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The default Windows 95 didn't look that great, but almost everyone agrees that 98 or 2000 are much better (at least they have gradients). But I'm not 100% old school, and I think that Windows 7 Aero looked good, too. I'm sad that someone decided that glassy transparent windows were an abomination and broke them all :(

I hated gradients on Windows. They looked as if the "stepped out" from the GUI. They broke the "3D layering" illusion.

Gradients would have looked bad with 8-bit color, which was still very much in use in the 1990s. Solid color was the reasonable choice back then.

Re: Make Linux look like Windows 95

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I have used themes like this on Linux and also some to make it look like MacOS. What I really want on Linux are tools that are written to be exactly like Windows, no more no less. Why? Well in addition to the numerous OS related problems I seem to encounter every time I go back and do a clean install of a distro like Ubuntu I am also annoyed by how poorly designed many of the basic tools like the calculator is. The W…

xpaint is the MS-Paint lookalike, much lighter than Gimp or Krita.

Re: Make Linux look like Windows 95

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I’ve used this before and it’s quite good; it not only captures the “old Windows” look well, but I find it to be quite functional too. I was frustrated trying to get my Linux box to look “pretty”, since I find that most GTK and DE themes lack attention to detail that is glaringly obvious to a trained eye. My solution was to take the “scorched Earth” approach: make my UI look as primitive as possible rather than aimin…

> make my UI look as primitive as possible rather than aiming for perfection.

Yeah i like i3 too :)

Re: Make Linux look like Windows 95

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I can't express how excited I am for consistent and metaphorical UI to be rediscovered by the 'designers' of today.

There were still some differences back then too.

I remember in the late 1990s you could usually tell if a desktop app was written in VB6 or Delphi based on certain hints. For example Delphi apps usually had those cool looking OK / Cancel buttons with an icon.

But yeah, nowadays it feels way more different because developers have a blank canvas with Electron vs using a standard set of controls from a popular UI toolkit.

Re: Make Linux look like Windows 95

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https://archive.org/details/winfiles_cmfriend_202005 Ah, so that is what the semi-popular cyan-greyish colour theme is. Random encounter: http://hallofshame.gp.co.at/tabs.htm > I've been looking for the origin for twenty years.

I like it, it's relaxing for the eyes, like the blue tints of Sun Solaris with CDE: http://toastytech.com/guis/sol.html

Re: Make Linux look like Windows 95

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I thought my dream came true, but... There's one thing he isn't showing - the infamous GTK's "Cancel-OK" message box combination. As much as I respect Lunduke's work, it's GTK-based. And my Linux environment is completely 95% Qt5 (it'll be 100% if I figure out how to migrate to Qt-based browser). The main advantage of OS/2 or Win9x-like UI is its speed and consistency. And it soesn't allocate/read/render 9 PNG files…

I know it doesn't do it efficiently, but there are a whole bunch of plasma themes, window decorations, cursor sets and so on that emulate win 95/98/xp (and even vista) in KDE Plasma, and you can install them right from the system settings.

Thanks! I tried. But at that time there were lots of inconsistencies. I tried going full-95, but couldn't find exact controls. And in most themes there were bitmap or vector images to mimic control appearance. It's nothing like disabling effects on Win7 brings back natively-drawn imageless UI. Generally, I tried even making my own theme, but it looked odd. ) Especially when the start menu ignored all the theme colors and lived on its own. I've heard they've fixed it in newer Plasma releases though.

Re: Make Linux look like Windows 95

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I'll be the first to say the unpopular take on HN: I don't think Windows 95 looks that good (compared to today). I personally find more modern (like MacOS 10) styles to look the best, and flat designs to be just as usable as more skeumorphic ones. It seems to me that preference for UI styles is completely personal, probably being influenced by what OS we initially used. As someone (potentially a lot) younger than man…

> I personally find more modern (like MacOS 10) styles to look the best, and flat designs to be just as usable as more skeumorphic ones.

Shouldn’t we separate looks from usability? KDE’s multifunctional search bar (similar to Spotlight on OSX) was a game changer for me. Every time I booted back into Windows (to play Anno 1602) I felt crippled.

Never cared much about looks, but functionality like that is what separates a great UI from an OK one. For me at least.

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