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Re: Show HN: Detect Russian visitors to block them and protest the war in Ukraine

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Post by mstaoru »

More tool ideas for you:

- detect code contributed by Russian developers and automatically delete it from a Git repo of choice,

- automatically unfriend all Russians or people of Russian descent (configurable via --depth option) on social networks,

- automatically downvote books by Isaac Asimov, Chuck Palahniuk, movies by Woody Allen (Russian mother), Michael Bay (Russian grandfather), or starring Daniel Craig (007), Timothée Chalamet (Dune), Leonardo DiCaprio, Jake Gyllenhaal, Natalie Portman, Milla Jovovich of course, all the Kravitzes and many many more - they're all of cursed Russian stock!

Re: Show HN: Detect Russian visitors to block them and protest the war in Ukraine

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Post by cbrwizard »

Reported. This repository is clearly aimed at discriminating the whole nation of Russians who are a victim of dictatorship as much as Ukrainians are.

I know what I’m talking about: I’m Russian who has been protesting for 10 years. That resulted in nothing. If I keep protesting I’ll get in jail until I’m close to my pension. I don’t desire to sacrifice my life for nothing.

The fact that you think that Russians need a push to protest demonstrates that you’rea naive entitled person who was lucky enough to never face a dictatorship.

All Russians I know are against war. We can’t do shit and we feel hopeless as fuck.

I wish you all the best, but please cut this bullshit. Support Ukraine instead.

Re: Show HN: Detect Russian visitors to block them and protest the war in Ukraine

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Post by guilhas »

FrenchDevRemote wrote: post #66
guilhas wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is Russian gov does something you disagree, annoy Russians Canadian gov does something you disagree, annoy Canadians But yes they also took part in Syria, Iraq and Libya's invasion

That's not the situation The Russian gov is murdering people as we speak.

Canada arms sales to Saudi Arabia are also killing Yemenis as we speak, indirectly and directly

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-un-experts-...

Re: Show HN: Detect Russian visitors to block them and protest the war in Ukraine

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Post by koonsolo »

cyber_kinetist wrote: post #28

I see many Russians already enraged about the war, some even doing protests against it. The fact is that most feel powerless and afraid against an autocratic government, and I feel it’s very hard to tell them to retaliate when their lives are on stake. (Maybe your country hasn’t experienced this yet, but hearing anecdotes from my country’s past I understand it’s really hard to mobilize when the next day you can be ki…

> it’s very hard to tell them to retaliate when their lives are on stake

I think the general concept is that the pain to continue their lives must be bigger than the pain to try and dethrone the corrupt leader.

Not taking either side here, but I can see why it can work.

Re: Show HN: Detect Russian visitors to block them and protest the war in Ukraine

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Post by koonsolo »

cbrwizard wrote: post #72

Reported. This repository is clearly aimed at discriminating the whole nation of Russians who are a victim of dictatorship as much as Ukrainians are. I know what I’m talking about: I’m Russian who has been protesting for 10 years. That resulted in nothing. If I keep protesting I’ll get in jail until I’m close to my pension. I don’t desire to sacrifice my life for nothing. The fact that you think that Russians need a…

I'm very sorry for the damage that your leader is causing. I personally know Russians and they are very warm-hearthed.

But in the end the Russian military is funded by the Russian economy. It is of course true that the ones most impacted by a bad economy are ordinary people, but none the less its up to the rest of the world to decide if they want to deal with a country that uses it's funds in this way.

Re: Show HN: Detect Russian visitors to block them and protest the war in Ukraine

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Post by threatofrain »

cyber_kinetist wrote: post #28

I see many Russians already enraged about the war, some even doing protests against it. The fact is that most feel powerless and afraid against an autocratic government, and I feel it’s very hard to tell them to retaliate when their lives are on stake. (Maybe your country hasn’t experienced this yet, but hearing anecdotes from my country’s past I understand it’s really hard to mobilize when the next day you can be ki…

Then we shouldn't be okay with sanctions either, because effective sanctions are about damaging the economy so badly that the current regime feels the risk of instability. Sanctions rely on popular suffering to achieve this instability. Damage to the people is not a side effect but the core mechanism.

There's little difference between IP blocking and economic sanctions. They both damage the economy (and thus the people) by virtue of isolation.

Re: Show HN: Detect Russian visitors to block them and protest the war in Ukraine

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Post by koonsolo »

thesz wrote: post #39
FrenchDevRemote wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Annoying them enough might push more people to protest. The softest option of the script is one alert() message once a day, that doesn't seems like harassment, the strictest option is to redirect you to a form on the russian government website, that's more debatable but that's up to you, you can also run custom code. If you're annoyed/blocked while trying access a website you like because your government is oppressiv…

I am a Russian thus I am biased, of course. I see this as a means to divide further and to attain higher moral ground - "do THAT" in case of alert or "you are not welcome here until you SIGN THIS" in case of redirection. For that to be a little bit more fair, I would like to see a detection of NOT Russian or Belorussian visitors with alerts and redirection to forms of their respective governments who did nothing to p…

So what do our governments need to do to prevent a war? Go back to the Soviet years and let Russia claim all of it's former territory?

Re: Show HN: Detect Russian visitors to block them and protest the war in Ukraine

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Post by threatofrain »

cbrwizard wrote: post #72

Reported. This repository is clearly aimed at discriminating the whole nation of Russians who are a victim of dictatorship as much as Ukrainians are. I know what I’m talking about: I’m Russian who has been protesting for 10 years. That resulted in nothing. If I keep protesting I’ll get in jail until I’m close to my pension. I don’t desire to sacrifice my life for nothing. The fact that you think that Russians need a…

There are economic sanctions aimed at discriminating against the whole nation of Russia. The core mechanism of sanctions is to damage the people on the ground so much that the risk of regime instability becomes a story.

Re: Show HN: Detect Russian visitors to block them and protest the war in Ukraine

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Post by thesz »

koonsolo wrote: post #77
thesz wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a Russian thus I am biased, of course. I see this as a means to divide further and to attain higher moral ground - "do THAT" in case of alert or "you are not welcome here until you SIGN THIS" in case of redirection. For that to be a little bit more fair, I would like to see a detection of NOT Russian or Belorussian visitors with alerts and redirection to forms of their respective governments who did nothing to p…

So what do our governments need to do to prevent a war? Go back to the Soviet years and let Russia claim all of it's former territory?

I think I should point out that you are talking about preventing ongoing war. It is just not possible to prevent harm that was and is being done.

I politely withdraw myself from answering your second question. It is too inflammatory.

I still think that it is possible for governments to learn - they are people, just like us, - and I think it is not only Russian government who can learn from this situation.

I should thank you - (non-)answering your questions made me think by standing in your shoes. It is interesting and important experience.

Re: Show HN: Detect Russian visitors to block them and protest the war in Ukraine

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Post by koonsolo »

thesz wrote: post #79
koonsolo wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what do our governments need to do to prevent a war? Go back to the Soviet years and let Russia claim all of it's former territory?

I think I should point out that you are talking about preventing ongoing war. It is just not possible to prevent harm that was and is being done. I politely withdraw myself from answering your second question. It is too inflammatory. I still think that it is possible for governments to learn - they are people, just like us, - and I think it is not only Russian government who can learn from this situation. I should th…

Thank you for your civil response, and my apologies for my rude response.

I will ask another more genuine question (it's a real question that I have). If Russia would have a more democratically elected leader (let's just say Navalny for the sake of argument). Would the ties between EU and Russia be more collaborative, or do you still think this would have ended with a war?

In other words, is NATO really out to destroy a democratic Russia (Soviet Union is already long gone)?

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