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Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

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I really thought that Russia would avoid the exclusion zone. It was just so obvious that everyone benefits from keeping fighting out of that area.

It has two advantages for the Russians:

1. It's one of the most direct paths from the Russian border to Kyiv.

2. It's not likely to get bombed by anybody.

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

#142
post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to be a apologist of what Russia is doing (really really against the current invasion/occupation) but from what we've seen around social media, it's not clear that the actual soldiers on the ground understand that they aren't "liberating" the Ukrainians from actual Nazis. They are fed misinformation on a daily basis and at least some of them see themselves as the "good guys". It does not excuse anything really, b…

I think that's perfectly fair. In most of the West we may lament one-sided networks or echo chambers on & offline, but our access & awareness of alternative opinions seems much higher. Whereas Russian media outlets are much more constrained, and Russian misinformation try to poison the well by throwing out so many things that there's no way for the average person to easily sift through it all. Throw in few small kern…

> In most of the West we may lament one-sided networks or echo chambers on & offline, but our access & awareness of alternative opinions seems much higher.

This simply isn’t the case. We are fed gobs of nonsense on a constant basis. The American elite and American media are utterly shameless.

Did you notice Putin’s jab at the American elite’s claims that Iraq had WMDs? In his speech, he accused Ukraine of building WMDs. Obviously nobody actually believes that, including himself, but everybody also knows the West can’t question his accusation without only humiliating themselves. He was 100% reminding Western leaders how full of shit everybody knows them to be. And he was exactly right to do so.

Have you ever discussed politics with a Russian? As it happens, I did pair programming practice with a Russian peer 3 days ago and we discussed the conflict. She said she was surprised to meet an American with “some political sense.” She was more conscious of worldly affairs than almost any American I know. And she wrote a perfect BFS pathfinding algorithm in a handful of minutes.

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

#143

Imagine this for a movie plot Russia stages the invasion as a cover to recover something from deep under Chernobyl What do you think that thing might be....

Honestly the elephant's foot is the closest real-life thing I can think of to the Ark of the Covenant from Raiders of the Lost Ark. It's just that everyone already knows that it has no practical applications and they don't want it.

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

#144
post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I support OSINT but this particular person has repeatedly been wrong and alarmist - plus he toots his horn for being right even when he's wrong: https://twitter.com/badc0fee/status/1495914223427276804 This particular case is likely armor kicking-up radioactive dust, and since the ground is wet it's not much of a problem: https://twitter.com/badc0fee/status/1497253041854025728

>he's wrong It's a bit surreal that the 3rd entry down in the more "more tweets" suggestions (for me*)for that link is as follows: Credit it where it's due: Hyundai have knocked it out of the ballpark with the Potato Storage Capacity (PSC) on the Ioniq 5 Good job there Twitter, really hit the nail on the head trying to surface other relevant tweets. *And that's me not logged in, with no Twitter account at all, cookie…

OSINT should be imagery and/or audio with a place and time, speculation should be limited and reasoned. Here are some accounts doing that instead:

https://twitter.com/RALee85

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko

https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

#145
post #125

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> Not to be a apologist of what Russia is doing [... apologism]

I live in the balkans... The main sentiment here, especially amongst the older people is, "russia is strong enough, that they can do the stuff america has been doing for decades now", but due to media influences, it's not a "war for democracy" and "saving the locals", as the americans would paint eg. attacking afghanistan after a few saudis flew a few planes into a few buildings. My personal and very contraversial op…

Whataboutery.

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

#146
post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>he's wrong It's a bit surreal that the 3rd entry down in the more "more tweets" suggestions (for me*)for that link is as follows: Credit it where it's due: Hyundai have knocked it out of the ballpark with the Potato Storage Capacity (PSC) on the Ioniq 5 Good job there Twitter, really hit the nail on the head trying to surface other relevant tweets. *And that's me not logged in, with no Twitter account at all, cookie…

OSINT should be imagery and/or audio with a place and time, speculation should be limited and reasoned. Here are some accounts doing that instead: https://twitter.com/RALee85 https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin

I agree that's a good ideal, but it doesn't mean that everything else isn't OSINT, or that it should be subject to algorithmic suppression as misinformation.

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

#147
post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OSINT should be imagery and/or audio with a place and time, speculation should be limited and reasoned. Here are some accounts doing that instead: https://twitter.com/RALee85 https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin

I agree that's a good ideal, but it doesn't mean that everything else isn't OSINT, or that it should be subject to algorithmic suppression as misinformation.

Spreading unwarranted panic is dangerous misinformation. One should be combatted the other encouraged.

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

#148
post #3

Russians came from Belarus and with their tanks disrupt the radioactive soil and create dust [1]. The internal systems and the reactors themselves are in nominal state without changes. 1. https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-says-chernobyl-radia...

> Russians came from Belarus and with their tanks disrupt the radioactive soil and create dust

Dust from soil doesn't explain why the readings from sensors around the reactors themselves has been sharply increasing over the last couple of days:

- https://mobile.twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/149701116634159...

- https://www.saveecobot.com/en/radiation-maps

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

#149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that's perfectly fair. In most of the West we may lament one-sided networks or echo chambers on & offline, but our access & awareness of alternative opinions seems much higher. Whereas Russian media outlets are much more constrained, and Russian misinformation try to poison the well by throwing out so many things that there's no way for the average person to easily sift through it all. Throw in few small kern…

> In most of the West we may lament one-sided networks or echo chambers on & offline, but our access & awareness of alternative opinions seems much higher. This simply isn’t the case. We are fed gobs of nonsense on a constant basis. The American elite and American media are utterly shameless. Did you notice Putin’s jab at the American elite’s claims that Iraq had WMDs? In his speech, he accused Ukraine of building WM…

This simply isn’t the case.

I heard prominent counter opinions over invading Iraq & WMD's in the lead up in 2003. An NPR interview with a retired Marine general at the time sticks out in my mind, and was very influential in my skepticism of the invasion. NPR is, in part, publicly funded by the US government. I don't think that any media funded by Russia is voicing similar skepticism over the Ukraine invasion.

Also don't ignore the matter of degrees. I'm not saying that media isn't influenced, that Western leaders don't attempt their own manipulation. I'm saying that Western media is at least a little (often a lot) more open than Russian media with respect to POV's that disagree with the "state".

By saying "this simply isn't the case" you are casting it as a black & white issue, when in reality it's all shades of gray. And if accurate information is the lighter side, then Western media is shifted towards lighter shades of gray than Russia.

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

#150
post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to be a apologist of what Russia is doing (really really against the current invasion/occupation) but from what we've seen around social media, it's not clear that the actual soldiers on the ground understand that they aren't "liberating" the Ukrainians from actual Nazis. They are fed misinformation on a daily basis and at least some of them see themselves as the "good guys". It does not excuse anything really, b…

Eh, the soldiers know... it's for "power", against nato, and to get a bit more of the land. Look at every past conflict, every american soldier in iraq knew, that they were going in to get the oil, everything else was just propaganda for the taxpayers.

Yeah this war is to try to stop NATO expansion, especially into Ukraine. In a way, it may do that.

It’s just silly because countries have considered joining NATO because they don’t perceive Russia as a good friend, and in response, Russia doubles down as a bad friend.

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