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Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by osigurdson »

willcipriano wrote: post #192
jacquesm wrote: post #188

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None of those resulted in crippling the country, which is the level you need. Without Russia propping him up Lukashenko would be out by now. Think Solidarity, not BLM and get the whole country to grind to a halt. That will make a difference. By the time the police and the army have to decide if they want to open fire on their family it can be won. But for that to happen something major will have to change in Russia f…

In Canada they just had protests that crippled the country, they just took food and the ability to bank or heat themselves from the protestors until they gave up. No change. Imagine if Trudeau had a gulag.

Virtually every Canadian province has dropped vaccine passports or is in the process of doing so. This was not the case before the protests began. While it's possible that this would have happened anyway (and not even the purview of the federal government), it seems likely that protests accelerated things.

Of course, I'm not sure there are many parallels here to the situation in Russia/Ukraine.

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Post by paulryanrogers »

gutitout wrote: post #185
willcipriano wrote: post #170

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Just vote harder guys, and make pithy signs. Protests don't even work in the west, how can they work in Russia?

This incredible high brow view is a stain on what is happening in Russia. I’m in America and I am not at all surprised that our private company’s are in the pocket of our government interests, once again. This would feel like ANOTHER provocation, if you are a Russian official. I wonder if we will see Americans realize that (at least in part) this Russian aggression is a retaliation to how the USA / EU policies have p…

> ...how the USA / EU policies have put the Ukrainian people in incredible danger for their own political motive.

Please excuse my ignorance but how did the US and EU put the UA people in danger?

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Post by paulryanrogers »

myko wrote: post #193
willcipriano wrote: post #186

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That's sort of a no true scottsman. Occupy wall street resulted in nothing, BLM protests were huge to no lasting effect, massive anti war protests in the early 2000's resulted in a couple decades of war. What ones recently were big enough? Million man march? That was just LBJ buying votes if you ask him about it privately.

protests worked in russia in 1917

Wasn't it an armed uprising?

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by adriand »

Social media is such a problem in Western nations, has sapped our attention and divided us so immensely, that I honestly wish we would also regulate and crack down on it. Not because we don’t want people to learn about what’s happening in the world, but because what we see unfolding right now makes crystal clear the stakes of Western weakness and division. We have been fighting each other on Twitter and Facebook while the world goes to hell. Enough!

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Post by cwkoss »

ProAm wrote: post #98
rosmax_1337 wrote: post #96

More countries should follow suit, I'm tired of seeing media censored by Facebook, not to mention Youtube and Twitter in Northern Europe too. Platforms should be just that, platforms, not outlets. Now I understand many of you will want to point out that "Russia is worse" and that it is somehow different. I don't care who is worse or if Russia does it for bad reasons, it is bad enough over here that it is also the cor…

They are not platforms though. A small part of them is a platform, but the rest is private entity with interests.

Would be pretty cool if congress forced them to be common carrier platforms.

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Post by labster »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #196
labster wrote: post #178

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Ukrainians are already suffering. And Americans too will suffer from the sanctions that Americans impose. But I am willing to suffer economically to protect a free republic that truly represents its people, because they are people, just like me.

Euh... Europe is taking all the 'consequences' and economic damage from the sanctions, not the US.

It hasn’t even been a week. Wait until the gas prices are $6 a gallon. You’ll be feeling it soon enough.

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Post by tehjoker »

eganist wrote: post #154
netXten wrote: post #152

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And I forgot to ask a question. Why do you think that we all should feel pain of sanctions? Because we are not able to stand against gov? Well, we are not able. And I think noone would be able if there is such a law and permissions of authorities. And for sure we, who know English(ok, not as good like any EU-person knows) and not working in gov-structures are the most small part of russians who have different opinion

> Why do you think that we all should feel pain of sanctions? Because we are not able to stand against gov? Well, we are not able. Every person can. That's why sanctions exist: to incentivize a government to focus on its people and isolate a violent government from the world, or conversely, for a people to hold their government accountable. What would you propose the world do instead of sanctions when diplomacy alone…

Collective punishment is against the laws of war and the UN charter. My preferred resolution would be NATO backing off and agreeing to Ukraine as a neutral buffer state with Russia withdrawing troops.

The American foreign policy instinct is always for unrelenting brutality.

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Post by jacquesm »

sneak wrote: post #210
jacquesm wrote: post #167

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> Because we are not able to stand against gov? But you can. > Well, we are not able No, you won't. That's fine but don't make it seem like there is no choice, there is plenty of evidence of people in Russia protesting and they have made a different choice than you. And "current operation" is distancing language. It's an invasion or a war, not an operation.

The Russian people who protested the war are now in prison, arrested for an illegal/unpermitted assembly. Sanctions are cruel and ineffective.

> Sanctions are cruel and ineffective.

You know what's cruel? War is cruel.

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Post by PragmaticPulp »

adriand wrote: post #214

Social media is such a problem in Western nations, has sapped our attention and divided us so immensely, that I honestly wish we would also regulate and crack down on it. Not because we don’t want people to learn about what’s happening in the world, but because what we see unfolding right now makes crystal clear the stakes of Western weakness and division. We have been fighting each other on Twitter and Facebook whil…

> I honestly wish we would also regulate and crack down on it

It's mind boggling to read HN comments advocating for restricting people's free access to internet discourse. (Reminder that Hacker News is social media, too)

Even a few years ago the idea of anyone in the tech world advocating for regulations or "crack downs" on letting people freely communicate on the internet would be unthinkable.

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Post by sneak »

jacquesm wrote: post #218
sneak wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Russian people who protested the war are now in prison, arrested for an illegal/unpermitted assembly. Sanctions are cruel and ineffective.

> Sanctions are cruel and ineffective. You know what's cruel? War is cruel.

I agree. Unfortunately those prosecuting this war knew that sanctions were coming, and will be largely/wholly unaffected by them.

It is only normal people, most of whom are against war, who will suffer as a result. Doctors who can't source medicine, workers who can't pay their staff, et c.

These sanctions will not negatively affect Putin; he has expected them for years and indeed has been explicitly preparing to cope with them.

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