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Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by coward-guy »

eganist wrote: post #154
netXten wrote: post #152

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And I forgot to ask a question. Why do you think that we all should feel pain of sanctions? Because we are not able to stand against gov? Well, we are not able. And I think noone would be able if there is such a law and permissions of authorities. And for sure we, who know English(ok, not as good like any EU-person knows) and not working in gov-structures are the most small part of russians who have different opinion

> Why do you think that we all should feel pain of sanctions? Because we are not able to stand against gov? Well, we are not able. Every person can. That's why sanctions exist: to incentivize a government to focus on its people and isolate a violent government from the world, or conversely, for a people to hold their government accountable. What would you propose the world do instead of sanctions when diplomacy alone…

It's too late... Where were US and Europe with their sanctions when riots on Bolotnaya square happened? https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Bolotnaya_Square_case When Navalny was incarcerated?

Do you think it is easy to stay against government with army? Look at Ukraine, there's the same Russian army there.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by 13415 »

netXten wrote: post #152
netXten wrote: post #146

Hi, Russian here, located in Moscow. I don’t root for our president and current operation in UA is not something I like. I had to say words above, sorry, and that words are true since I am mostly committed to western values. Facebook would be restricted in Russia because they don’t allow gov to publish their views, opinion and their “truth”, like any other gov can. There are also intentions to block youtube and any o…

And I forgot to ask a question. Why do you think that we all should feel pain of sanctions? Because we are not able to stand against gov? Well, we are not able. And I think noone would be able if there is such a law and permissions of authorities. And for sure we, who know English(ok, not as good like any EU-person knows) and not working in gov-structures are the most small part of russians who have different opinion

The victims are the people in Ukraine, not you. People are dying there and the country has been dragged into chaos. Russia is 100% the aggressor in this case. If you don't want to feel the pain of sanctions, you better do something to change your government. This might not appear fair to you and certainly isn't easy, but don't forget that life is currently even less fair to the Ukrainians who die defending their country.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by FpUser »

slashdev wrote: post #110
MrYellowP wrote: post #99

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Evil is a pretty strong word to toss around like that. The Nazis were evil. How is the West evil? Western countries do a number of bad things, but they're not evil.

>"How is the West evil?"

Killing millions of people after WWII for sure qualifies. What else would you call it?

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by osigurdson »

dtx1 wrote: post #156
netXten wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I forgot to ask a question. Why do you think that we all should feel pain of sanctions? Because we are not able to stand against gov? Well, we are not able. And I think noone would be able if there is such a law and permissions of authorities. And for sure we, who know English(ok, not as good like any EU-person knows) and not working in gov-structures are the most small part of russians who have different opinion

> Why do you think that we all should feel pain of sanctions? We want Russia to stop their criminal war on Ukraine. Either by government action, open revolt or a population starving in the streets. The only other option is nuclear holocaust.

I don't want to see anyone starving on the streets but massive civil disobedience or a nation-wide strike by the Russian people would be incredible to see.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by jacquesm »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #93
dshpala wrote: post #86

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Heh, "point to Russians". I have several friends in Moscow, and up until the last few days they were in complete denial about Putin's intentions or troops buildup. There were memes, jokes, etc. The propaganda inside Russia is very strong. Russians need sanctions, they need to start suffering (economically or otherwise). And then maybe they'll wake up.

Denial doesn’t mean they were influenced by propaganda. Invasion just didn’t make any sense and even among the opposition there was a belief that Putin is evil but rational.

So now the conclusion is he's not rational. Now what? A non rational dictator sitting on a very large number of nuclear weapons is not a good thing for the world.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by larkost »

alexryndin wrote: post #150
stavros wrote: post #145

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I find it interesting that you have an issue with the other side having guns.

I have an issue when the other side have guns _and_ use it against their own people for 8 years. Yeah, I have strong issue with that.

I have Russian-speaking Ukrainian friends. They have told me that there is no such pomgrom in Ukraine against them or people like them. They have told me multiple times that Russian friends of theirs keep telling them that they must be scared and they tell them that they are wrong. This is Russian propaganda that you are repeating, and has no base in truth.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by jacquesm »

netXten wrote: post #152
netXten wrote: post #146

Hi, Russian here, located in Moscow. I don’t root for our president and current operation in UA is not something I like. I had to say words above, sorry, and that words are true since I am mostly committed to western values. Facebook would be restricted in Russia because they don’t allow gov to publish their views, opinion and their “truth”, like any other gov can. There are also intentions to block youtube and any o…

And I forgot to ask a question. Why do you think that we all should feel pain of sanctions? Because we are not able to stand against gov? Well, we are not able. And I think noone would be able if there is such a law and permissions of authorities. And for sure we, who know English(ok, not as good like any EU-person knows) and not working in gov-structures are the most small part of russians who have different opinion

> Because we are not able to stand against gov?

But you can.

> Well, we are not able

No, you won't.

That's fine but don't make it seem like there is no choice, there is plenty of evidence of people in Russia protesting and they have made a different choice than you.

And "current operation" is distancing language. It's an invasion or a war, not an operation.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by jacquesm »

osigurdson wrote: post #164
dtx1 wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why do you think that we all should feel pain of sanctions? We want Russia to stop their criminal war on Ukraine. Either by government action, open revolt or a population starving in the streets. The only other option is nuclear holocaust.

I don't want to see anyone starving on the streets but massive civil disobedience or a nation-wide strike by the Russian people would be incredible to see.

That's what got Poland its freedom. The one thing any dictator really fears is a mass uprising.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by FpUser »

dshpala wrote: post #86
thinkingemote wrote: post #73

A good tactic would be to point out to Russians that their government is censoring political things for them. They like to think they are free and above the hypocrisy of the west. But the key thing is the West allows it's citizens to criticise itself. The Russians do not have that freedom. It's basically becoming like China in the way of censorship and lack of freedom, to protect it's citizens and the fatherland. To…

Heh, "point to Russians". I have several friends in Moscow, and up until the last few days they were in complete denial about Putin's intentions or troops buildup. There were memes, jokes, etc. The propaganda inside Russia is very strong. Russians need sanctions, they need to start suffering (economically or otherwise). And then maybe they'll wake up.

I am not in Russia and I did not believe that Putin will attack. I did not expect him to be that kind of retard.

>"Russians need sanctions, they need to start suffering"

When you talk like this about whole nation I am not even sure what to call it. Well actually I do but I did not yet have enough of HN.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by willcipriano »

jacquesm wrote: post #167
netXten wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I forgot to ask a question. Why do you think that we all should feel pain of sanctions? Because we are not able to stand against gov? Well, we are not able. And I think noone would be able if there is such a law and permissions of authorities. And for sure we, who know English(ok, not as good like any EU-person knows) and not working in gov-structures are the most small part of russians who have different opinion

> Because we are not able to stand against gov? But you can. > Well, we are not able No, you won't. That's fine but don't make it seem like there is no choice, there is plenty of evidence of people in Russia protesting and they have made a different choice than you. And "current operation" is distancing language. It's an invasion or a war, not an operation.

Just vote harder guys, and make pithy signs.

Protests don't even work in the west, how can they work in Russia?

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