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Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

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Just took a quick look and this one looks very good: https://www.atelierdojo.com/

Yep I have already emailed them for more info! Hopefully they have weekend classes...

Good luck! Art is a hell of a fun pursuit and I hope you have a good time with it. The long periods of boredom and frustration lead to those moments of bliss as you make things you're proud of and you start to understand what you're doing.

It's an endless road but it's a damn fun one.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

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Commercial artist for 45 years. Also a developer, FWIW, mostly graphics programming since the late 1970s. _Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain_ is actually one of the best places to start. I know you said you tried it. But try it this way: Ignore all the theory and the stories the author tells. It’s mostly nonsense. But the exercises are actually very good. The trick is to not care about the result and about makin…

I came here to say this. I studied art in school (but not an art school, so I'm not very good :) but this book was really the core of the curriculum. The exercises and approach radically helped me improved my drawing. The other component is just practicing a lot. I can't remember the URL, but there was a developer I used to follow who could not draw at all and just committed to drawing every day (using similar exercises). Over the years, he got really good.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

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> I’m in my 60s and have been drawing seriously since my early teens. > I’m just getting started. I think this is intended to be encouraging, but to me it has the opposite effect. If it's going to take me 45 years to just get started, then I won't waste my time on it, I'll do something else instead. Is it possible that you're not just getting started, but you are still learning things, albeit at a much slower rate th…

It takes decades to get professional good at precision physical skills. That's not to say you won't be twice as good of a drawer as you are now, in 2 years of serious practice. But if you're measuring yourself against people who have spent their entire lives working on a thing... it's going to take some time to get to that level.

Decades feels a bit long, from what I've seen/experienced. I'd say if you're dedicated you can hit a professional level in 5-7 years.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

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Commercial artist for 45 years. Also a developer, FWIW, mostly graphics programming since the late 1970s. _Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain_ is actually one of the best places to start. I know you said you tried it. But try it this way: Ignore all the theory and the stories the author tells. It’s mostly nonsense. But the exercises are actually very good. The trick is to not care about the result and about makin…

> I’m in my 60s and have been drawing seriously since my early teens. > I’m just getting started. I think this is intended to be encouraging, but to me it has the opposite effect. If it's going to take me 45 years to just get started, then I won't waste my time on it, I'll do something else instead. Is it possible that you're not just getting started, but you are still learning things, albeit at a much slower rate th…

I think it has a lot to do with what they said about your goals changing. When I first started painting a decade ago, my goal was to do a good oil portrait. But now, painting has become so personal and spiritual to me, that my goals aren't as external like they used to be. I realized a few years ago that while I am in the process of painting something, I have no fear in my heart. Exploring that has become more of my goal, and one could spend many lifetimes working through it.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

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Commercial artist for 45 years. Also a developer, FWIW, mostly graphics programming since the late 1970s. _Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain_ is actually one of the best places to start. I know you said you tried it. But try it this way: Ignore all the theory and the stories the author tells. It’s mostly nonsense. But the exercises are actually very good. The trick is to not care about the result and about makin…

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Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

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Started maybe 4 years ago wanting to make art for a video game. I took the Hunter S Thompson approach - he typed word for word I think TS Elliot. Traced what i liked eventually took it more serious. Draw once a day - doodles & no expectations. I liked NMA's Steve Huston sketchbook class, but really no one can draw for you. Stefan Baumann has some coaching sessions but that's for oil painting. Finding someone local to give coaching might help. cheers & good luck

Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

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Commercial artist for 45 years. Also a developer, FWIW, mostly graphics programming since the late 1970s. _Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain_ is actually one of the best places to start. I know you said you tried it. But try it this way: Ignore all the theory and the stories the author tells. It’s mostly nonsense. But the exercises are actually very good. The trick is to not care about the result and about makin…

> I’m in my 60s and have been drawing seriously since my early teens. > I’m just getting started. I think this is intended to be encouraging, but to me it has the opposite effect. If it's going to take me 45 years to just get started, then I won't waste my time on it, I'll do something else instead. Is it possible that you're not just getting started, but you are still learning things, albeit at a much slower rate th…

“From the age of 6 I had a mania for drawing the shapes of things. When I was 50 I had published a universe of designs. But all I have done before the the age of 70 is not worth bothering with. At 75 I'll have learned something of the pattern of nature, of animals, of plants, of trees, birds, fish and insects. When I am 80 you will see real progress. At 90 I shall have cut my way deeply into the mystery of life itself. At 100, I shall be a marvelous artist. At 110, everything I create; a dot, a line, will jump to life as never before. To all of you who are going to live as long as I do, I promise to keep my word. I am writing this in my old age. I used to call myself Hokusai, but today I sign my self 'The Old Man Mad About Drawing.’”

Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

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Commercial artist for 45 years. Also a developer, FWIW, mostly graphics programming since the late 1970s. _Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain_ is actually one of the best places to start. I know you said you tried it. But try it this way: Ignore all the theory and the stories the author tells. It’s mostly nonsense. But the exercises are actually very good. The trick is to not care about the result and about makin…

> You think you can see things, but what you are really doing is recognizing things. Any normal adult has the motor skills to make a controlled mark.

I have reasonably nimble fingers and at least average overall motor control, and really cannot do this. I got pretty good at drawing a handful of things as a kid by just repeating the same pattern every time, but even on those my lines were just awful. I'm sure I could get better at it with tons of drilling (and probably just starting over from scratch, technique-wise—I expect I'd have to totally re-train the way I do the entire activity, to fix whatever's wrong) but a little drawing here and there with lots of attention to trying to fix that has done nothing. I cannot make a remotely straight line of any length at all (an inch would be pushing my abilities, and I'd probably fail like half the time). Circles are right out. I have a good enough eye for perspective that I can make useful and recognizable sketches for e.g. home projects, but they look like a 2-year-old drew them because the lines are so bad.

Step 1 for me absolutely would be learning how to make marks that are anywhere near my intention.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

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Drawing skill, in my experience, comes mainly down to natural talent. If you’ve not got much you’ll get little reward from investing your time.

Boo. Everything I've learned, from work to living like an adult, has come down to practice. If I thought it was just "natural talent" I'd never attempt to get better at anything.
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