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Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

etiam wrote: post #85
newsclues wrote: post #20

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You hold a position to launch attacks from that are hard to counter attack. Setup your artillery there and they can’t just shell the area back out of fear of causing a nuclear disaster. IMO, the UN should have stepped in and taken control of the nuclear zone. There is a global risk here.

Well put. Also, take the following with more than a grain of salt as I'm in no way really knowledgeable about such systems, but I would imagine both the area itself and temporarily disturbing it could be valuable as cover for nuclear weapons. One valuable tool for keeping track of them involves detecting and analyzing escaped isotope traces, and that's going to be harder to pick out and make sense of against that noi…

"could be valuable as cover for nuclear weapons"

You can't hide a nuclear blast, we have satellites in orbit that detect the flash. Chech the vela incident - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_incident

"Russia's whole citizenry have been trained and prepared for nuclear fallout, to a much greater extent than most nations seem to prioritize today."

That's not been the case for like 40 years

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

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Post by pjc50 »

yumraj wrote: post #72
nuccy wrote: post #3

Russians came from Belarus and with their tanks disrupt the radioactive soil and create dust [1]. The internal systems and the reactors themselves are in nominal state without changes. 1. https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-says-chernobyl-radia...

So, the Russian soldiers are all probably breathing this dust and their equipment will spread it to where ever they deploy in Ukraine? That doesn't sound good at all.

There's an invasion on, nothing about it sounds good!

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

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Post by reitanqild »

User23 wrote: post #89
reitanqild wrote: post #87

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What happened is Russian soldiers, either cocky or terrified depending on how much they knew came driving down the road and suddenly the entire thing shook violently, (the rest is my best understanding based on things I learned years ago): temperature rose quickly to become unbearable as the missile stuck the the armour and the warhead sent a payload of molten brass (or something) through the solid metal. As the poor…

> temperature rose quickly to become unbearable as the missile stuck the the armour and the warhead sent a payload of molten brass (or something) through the solid metal. As the poor blokes try to escape it seems like something more has gone ablaze as you can see they are frozen while trying to run. Sounds like a shaped charge[1]. I know a man who was drafted during the Korean War and at first he thought it would be…

Exactly. I had forgotten the name. And yes, the man you knew probably had learned the same lessons as my dad.

Again, this was years ago and I was never equipped with one of these but based on what little I learned and what I see it seems those poor guys where roasted, not knocked dead.

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

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Post by throwawayboise »

ols wrote: post #61
throwawayboise wrote: post #48

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Drifting slightly off topic but it always seemed amazing to me that they kept the other reactors running even in the immediate aftermath of the Unit 4 explosion. Literally just down the hall, units 1, 2, and 3 ran for years afterwards. These were all manually controlled reactors that needed humans in the control room. No "working from home "on these.

Unit 3 was just behind a wall, but 1 and 2 were quite far away (300-500m). They all had multiple serious incidents before and after the Chernobyl Disaster (1982 - partial core meltdown at #1, 1984 - incidents at #3 and #4, 1991 - fire at the turbine hall of #2). This was the most unsafe nuclear power plant in the whole USSR and the operators were in grave danger all the time.

There are still 8 reactors of the same type (RBMK) active in Russia, though they have been retrofitted with changes to reduce the risk of another Chernobyl scenario.

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

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Post by awb »

ornornor wrote: post #86
nuccy wrote: post #52

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Unless there is a strong wind it likely will settle back, especially since it is a thick forest around the station.

I don’t know about where you live but here in Europe there have been storms warnings with pretty strong winds in the last week. Not a meteorologist and I have no idea how that would impact radioactive dust spread.

Are the prevailing winds are typically West to East?

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

yumraj wrote: post #72
nuccy wrote: post #3

Russians came from Belarus and with their tanks disrupt the radioactive soil and create dust [1]. The internal systems and the reactors themselves are in nominal state without changes. 1. https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-says-chernobyl-radia...

So, the Russian soldiers are all probably breathing this dust and their equipment will spread it to where ever they deploy in Ukraine? That doesn't sound good at all.

Considering that they're mostly just passing by, and that the levels are not really high, it won't be that bad.

I didn't do the math, but the radiation levels for driving past there, or staying there for a day or two, would probably be very low, and comparable to a lot of other stuff we do without thinking (plane rides, xrays etc.)

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

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Post by ornornor »

awb wrote: post #95
ornornor wrote: post #86

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I don’t know about where you live but here in Europe there have been storms warnings with pretty strong winds in the last week. Not a meteorologist and I have no idea how that would impact radioactive dust spread.

Are the prevailing winds are typically West to East?

According to https://www.meteoblue.com/en/weather/historyclimate/weathera... they're blowing from the West to the East so it's blowing from Europe towards Pripyat, so at least there is that.

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

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Post by lostlogin »

reitanqild wrote: post #81
capableweb wrote: post #30

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To add to the list of unfiltered OSINT straight from Ukraine/Russia, Telegram channels/groups are invaluable (but treat everything as unconfirmed rumors until confirmed elsewhere): - https://t.me/uniannet - https://t.me/ukrpravda_news - https://t.me/istorijaoruzija - https://t.me/dumskaya_net - https://t.me/idelator Beware, some of these are literally Russian propaganda, so again, don't take anything being said/share…

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> I understand why my dad urged me to not go voluntarily to artillery.

Can you explain this further?

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

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Post by KarlKemp »

reitanqild wrote: post #81
capableweb wrote: post #30

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To add to the list of unfiltered OSINT straight from Ukraine/Russia, Telegram channels/groups are invaluable (but treat everything as unconfirmed rumors until confirmed elsewhere): - https://t.me/uniannet - https://t.me/ukrpravda_news - https://t.me/istorijaoruzija - https://t.me/dumskaya_net - https://t.me/idelator Beware, some of these are literally Russian propaganda, so again, don't take anything being said/share…

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I fail to see what purpose posting gore such as this serves. Nobody needs proof that war is bad.

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

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Post by reitanqild »

lostlogin wrote: post #98
reitanqild wrote: post #81

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> I understand why my dad urged me to not go voluntarily to artillery. Can you explain this further?

He told me that armour is not protection.

It is instead a death trap:

It is loud, valuable for the enemy and if they shoot at you using shape charges you'll be roasted alive.

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