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On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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And you, my dear pister, are waffling on the freedom to self-organize, and falling into the Kissinger trap. Soft power; Sickening thing. Once you have it you're responsible for everything. In this case, the U.S. trying to once again get entangled in another spat. Once you start binning which transactions are really appropriate to happen, you're de-facto making policy.

Now you’re just stringing random words together. What is the “Kissinger trap”? The topic was the freedom of an American corporation to not finance warfare. There is no moral or legal imperative for them to permit their users to finance a foreign country’s military, whether that country is an ally or adversary.

Of course they are free to do so. Nobody has said they are not.

What people are saying is that they are cowards for doing so, and that they will from now on refuse to do business with them. As I am sure you can agree, they are free to do.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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History will not look kindly on people like you defending the actions of Russia.

What actions exactly have I defended? Awful, horrific shit on scales beyond our comprehension have happened in basically every war in human history, including the deaths of countless innocent civilians. But to count as a war crime, the deaths of civilians has to be intentional (or at least with some level of reckless disregard for the safety of civilians, the standards of proof for which would be extremely high in a…

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Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Ah the 'lets roll over for the enemy' group. Yes, we had those here in NL as well when WWII broke out. Let's just say that when the invaders eventually left - as they always do - that group didn't fare particularly well. It's called cowardice, if coupled with actions that benefit the enemy it's called collaboration and is usually dealt with for what it is: treason. I have no dog in this particular race other than tha…

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No, that's easy for you to say from a country that has never been occupied.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Oh, hang on. Let me get the SSL certificate for “definitelyukrainegovernment.com”. Then you can donate money to the Ukraine gov on that site too.

Well I wouldn't judge the authenticity of a site based on the SSL cert which the OP seemed to do which was my point

Depends on the cert. If the cert is issued to "Kancelaria Prezesa Rady Ministrów" I am pretty sure the site belongs to the Polish government.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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post #393

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What actions exactly have I defended? Awful, horrific shit on scales beyond our comprehension have happened in basically every war in human history, including the deaths of countless innocent civilians. But to count as a war crime, the deaths of civilians has to be intentional (or at least with some level of reckless disregard for the safety of civilians, the standards of proof for which would be extremely high in a…

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Are you willing to feel the same anger and hate that you feel towards Russia towards virtually every other nation that has ever existed in human history? Because otherwise, you're "defending" them in the same way I'm "defending" Russia because mass deaths of civilians happens in basically every single war.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Yes, inaction always supports the status quo.

If you see a fight and you don't pick a side and decide to stay out of it, which side are you supporting?

The side that already has the power, is unjust and is winning.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Considering that they use funds only (mostly) to buy defence stuff and to support the recovery of the veterans (there will be many with PTSD and injuries after this war), Patreon is in a morally wrong territory here. Like other posters said there are several other ways to support this fund (crypto / wire transfer) or Ukrainian army directly (wire transfer). With crypto there is an almost 100% chance the money transfe…

>Considering that they use funds only (mostly) to buy defence stuff

can you clarify on what "defence stuff" means? Is there any meaningful difference between a rocket launcher used for "defense" and a rocket launcher that's not used for "defense"? Or are they only buying stuff like sandbags?

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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post #209

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Officially supported funding would make them a legitimate target in war.

like how the US was supposed to send them $400 million in military aid? [0] Or the EU is sending them €1.2 billion? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_impeachment_of_Donald_Tr... [1] https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022...

The US/EU have military backing. What does pateron have?

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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post #110

You can use bank transfers and Bitcoin to donate directly, see this page: https://savelife.in.ua/en/donate/ It seems that bitcoin donations are pouring in (over $4 million already). You can watch the bitcoin address here: https://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin/address/bc1qkd5az2ml7dk5j5...

Here's official info from the National Bank of Ukraine with more options:

https://bank.gov.ua/en/news/all/natsionalniy-bank-vidkriv-sp...

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