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Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by TameAntelope »

the_af wrote: post #29
TameAntelope wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's being used right now to soften the perception of Russia ("See look, the Russian people don't approve of this!" as a way of implicitly arguing against sanctions) right now, that seems valuable. Also "chaos" has value. It's a big thing in how PsyOps works (from my limited understanding); when you sew chaos, you can get away with more.

> "see look, the Russian people don't approve of this! Don't punish them with sanctions!" But there have already been demonstrations against this war in Russia, with detainees and video footage showing this. And if you don't trust the footage, I'm sure someone knows someone in Russia who can attest to this. So we know at least some people in Russia don't support the invasion. More importantly, in my opinion: that kin…

I A) said I was probably paranoid and B) I didn't say they were lying, I said I assume they are. I'm describing an effective heuristic to help me accurately predict the future. I believe using data from Reddit users purporting to be Russian teenagers seems too easy to exploit and therefore unhelpful, predictively.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by twobitshifter »

asplake wrote: post #3

Honestly, I just wish Facebook, Twitter, Google, and even Microsoft and Apple just withdrew. The Russian government has only contempt for them anyway

It’s in the international interest to keep them up to spread propaganda and counter Russian propaganda. The withdrawal of media would make the fight very one sided in favor of Russia.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by agumonkey »

givemeethekeys wrote: post #14
agumonkey wrote: post #11

Is this the first big nation military conflict in the era of ubiquitous video streaming ? It feels like this is de-staging the aggression, you see more details, you see more failures, it feels less impressive than past fights on TV for instance.

All the US conflicts in the past 10 years were in the era of ubiquitous video streaming.

I'm sorry if I look stupid (too many crysis I guess) but I fail to remember what conflict started between the US and another nation in this decade.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by agumonkey »

TameAntelope wrote: post #27
the_af wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't follow that line of reasoning. If a few Russian kids express "no hatred against Ukraine" and claim to actually feel powerless at the oligarchic structure of their country (Russia), in which way do you feel this could be manufactured psyops? What purpose could this serve as propaganda, "Russians kids don't like Putin or the ruling system"? Wouldn't propaganda look more like "our country means Ukraine no harm,…

It's being used right now to soften the perception of Russia ("See look, the Russian people don't approve of this!" as a way of implicitly arguing against sanctions) right now, that seems valuable. Also "chaos" has value. It's a big thing in how PsyOps works (from my limited understanding); when you sew chaos, you can get away with more.

More and more I start to believe most of communications are really noise to make the less aggressive camp pause and think if this makes sense at all, while the other camp marches on.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by twobitshifter »

agumonkey wrote: post #11

Is this the first big nation military conflict in the era of ubiquitous video streaming ? It feels like this is de-staging the aggression, you see more details, you see more failures, it feels less impressive than past fights on TV for instance.

Syria had/has combat videos. I think that was the first to happen while it was ubiquitous. It did not make it any less intense or terribly.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by hereforphone »

asplake wrote: post #3

Honestly, I just wish Facebook, Twitter, Google, and even Microsoft and Apple just withdrew. The Russian government has only contempt for them anyway

Several if not all of these companies actively censor content based on their own ideas of what does and does not constitute acceptable expressions of acceptable ideology. A healthy amount of contempt for them is fine.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by gdulli »

nest0r wrote: post #22
pyronik19 wrote: post #15

No fan of Russia, but to pretend that facebook is some neutral platform that isn't trying to push their own political agenda is naive.

For like 10 years in every thread about social media someone brings up their “own political agenda” but never specifies what they mean. If the main objective is maximizing profits there can’t be a strong political agenda because with every shift in governance the way to maximize profit will also shift. This whole political debate about social networks is just stupid they are cooperations first and if there is profit…

> If the main objective is maximizing profits there can’t be a strong political agenda because with every shift in governance the way to maximize profit will also shift

Even more simply, companies like Facebook and Twitter are stuck in the middle if for no other reason than they can't lose either half of their audience.

They're happy if a few extremists peel off to their "free speech" platforms, because it's less headache for them and they don't have to worry about those platforms appealing to the mainstream. They themselves will obviously never do anything to lose the mainstream on either side.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by hereforphone »

lostmsu wrote: post #26
deutschewelle wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why this comment is being downvoted, there is credible evidences that support this view, if not obvious from the US elctions

Because it is irrelevant to the issue at hand.

If you read HN comment threads you may come to the conclusion that tangential discussions are the norm.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by seattle_spring »

pyronik19 wrote: post #15

No fan of Russia, but to pretend that facebook is some neutral platform that isn't trying to push their own political agenda is naive.

Moderating away rule breaking content that most people don't want to see is very much akin to disallowing state-sponsored war propaganda: a good thing.
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