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Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by vacri »

Hisoka wrote: post #108
teaspoon wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're talking about people who already ponied up $60. From that alone, you can't infer (a) that another $60 is a pittance to them, (b) that they own a MacBook or any computer at all, (c) that they are professional developers, or (d) that they are capable of using vim. If you think that any of those is a given, you're spending too much time on HN. And how the concept of "charity" is relevant to paying customers of a p…

The concept of charity is entirely relevant here. This is a business, we're not here to give money away when we don't have to. Geez, keep your opinions to yourself, if you feel you should pay for it, then go pay for it, and donate even more if you feel it's worth it. I don't care if it's $1, $20 or $100. It's the PRINCIPLE. He's in a BUSINESS. This ain't no feel-good charity here.

This ain't no feel-good charity here.

If you're taking the hardline "business is business" angle, then he should be held to his earlier promise as a business.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by webrakadabra »

While I totally appreciate the generosity of Macro, I totally condemn Macro's speaking for the entire buyer community as in "We will not hold you to it" & "Please let us give you more money".

For Allan, money sure is good but reputation is still better.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by dragonquest »

johnohara wrote: post #80

This is somewhat OT but I've used EditPlus under Windows for almost eight years and have paid $35 twice -- v2 and v3. Same with FileZilla. When it's worth it, it's worth it. a lot of people feel the same way about TextMate.

Hmmm, that's odd because I bought EditPlus 2.3x for 30$, the price was increased in 3.x. Also v3 was free for all paid customers of 2.x. When did you buy 2.x?

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by crag »

phillmv wrote: post #67
teaspoon wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're making the same faulty assumption that Marco does: that everyone who bought TextMate is a fellow software developer living in a wealthy nation. Many of the "cheapskates in here" are happy to pay twice, but recognize that it's a privilege to be able to do so.

Bro, c'mon now. I hate using this argument, but if you can afford a macbook you can definitely pony up $60 for your main development tool . Dude's running a business, not a charity. Shit, I use vim. If you're so screwed for cash there are a couple of first class alternatives. EDIT: I use a macbook too. I think it's a great dev platform. It only represents about 5% of my yearly income, though. I doubt I'd be using it…

You're assuming it even ships at all. We've seen this story before with Alan.

IF Textmate ships (don't hold you breath), and IF it has compelling enough new (and fixed) features that are above and beyond the various (free) plugins and other text editors on Mac (including BBedit, Coda and Sublime 2) then I'll gladly pay.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by spooneybarger »

JoachimSchipper wrote: post #154
spooneybarger wrote: post #113

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Now that we don't see comment scores, that isn't effective for publicly voicing agreement.

Votes do influence the ranking. And is "publicly voicing agreement" really more important than a usable comment page?

Put the two together and its a decent argument for bring back displaying up votes on comments.

Influence isn't the same as that is for an entire conversation thread. What if an initial comment gets very few up votes but a response to it gets tons? they aren't ranked independently of one another.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by neilalbrock »

I agree. I would gladly pay full price for TextMate 2, even although I paid for it the first time around. Of all the software I've bought over the years, TextMate is the one product that I use every day.

I'd started looking at Sublime Text 2 as a possible replacement, as it's got some really nice features. The TM2 announcement fills me with hope that I may not have to do that... so I'll hang in there a bit longer.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by phillmv »

burgerbrain wrote: post #170
phillmv wrote: post #126

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Nope! Harder to use . It's basically impossible to discover new functionality in vim without reading technical documentation for it, whereas in Textmate I assume (having never used it) that feature is accessible using a mouse. TM is more usable than vim.

1) "discover new functionality" is a "learn", not a "use". 2) Vim can have menus too if you want them, and a mouse to go with them... 3) I learn new things about vim all the time without reading the documentation. A massive community makes that quite easy.

>1) "discover new functionality" is a "learn", not a "use".

I'm talking about application usability. When I say something is hard to "use" I roughly mean "how easy it is to pick up" and "how easy it is to use everyday".

It's a sign of poor application design when you have to learn it instead of merely using it.

After six years of regular vim use I still find myself constantly forgetting key shortcuts and which feature accomplishes what.

A text editor is not conceptually difficult application. It's unlike a cockpit. Case in point, Textmate.

Whatever, it's not worth splitting hairs. I think that not being able to use an app until you thoroughly look at its documentation is a fairly clear cute example of an unusable app.

>2) Vim can have menus too if you want them, and a mouse to go with them...

I know. I use MacVim almost every day of my life. The menus don't even cover everything you can do with a buffer or a split.

>3) I learn new things about vim all the time without reading the documentation. A massive community makes that quite easy.

Reading blogs I think falls under 'documentation'. I don't want to Read Things just to use 10% of a text editor's features.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by phillmv »

notelitist wrote: post #145
phillmv wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bro, c'mon now. I hate using this argument, but if you can afford a macbook you can definitely pony up $60 for your main development tool . Dude's running a business, not a charity. Shit, I use vim. If you're so screwed for cash there are a couple of first class alternatives. EDIT: I use a macbook too. I think it's a great dev platform. It only represents about 5% of my yearly income, though. I doubt I'd be using it…

Hate these elitist comments (hope you get hellbanned, I sincerely do). Most of the people I know got their macbooks by giving up a large chunk of their salary (some people earn less than its price). But they bought it anyway since its a solid development platform (and they wanted to venture into the iOS platform). Some gave up a large chunk of their scholarship. Some got it from their company and some bought it secon…

Listen. I bought my macbook when I was a student and it was considerably more than my current income level.

I understand all of this.

You still don't need to use Textmate. I've never used textmate; I'm a professional developer.

>How is this promise different. If he made a mistake in calculating initial cost, its his mistake and he has to own up to it.

He's a one man operation. The risks are different, and he's likelier to go bankrupt. What-I'm-saying-here is… that I would have an exceedingly easy time forgiving him.

All of this is assuming he will own up to it. He posts a blog post grovelling to his customers and apologizing to everyone in sight, blah blah.

>I have been on and off for a while,I missed when Jersey Shore hit HN.

Stop being a jackass.

FYI, you're being "elitist" because you're implying that someone who watches Jersey Shore is beneath HN.

>(hope you get hellbanned, I sincerely do)

Isn't that a little bit shitty of you to say? You know, I kind of hate this about HN. Secret bans, unexplained rules, etc etc. Everyone worships to the entrepreneur ideal but I'm not convinced most people have had to think about operating as a business.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by phillmv »

dotnetnoob wrote: post #147
phillmv wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People break contracts all the time. In fact, if you are losing money on a deal it's your duty as a rational actor to break your contract. Underwater on your mortgage? Foreclose it.

OMG! Seriously? What kind of stupid logic is that? If you use this line with your business, prepare for the shit storm that will come to your way. I'll report you to the BBB, file a law suit against you and pre up a class action law suit to rape you into bankruptcy and make sure no one will ever do business with you again. You agree to a contact and now you want to back out of it. Yes, people break contacts all the t…

>I'll report you to the BBB, file a law suit against you and pre up a class action law suit to rape you into bankruptcy and make sure no one will ever do business with you again.

No, you won't, because unless you're a lawyer even thinking about it for too long will be more expensive than the license in the first place.

This happens a LOT.

Your client doesn't pay within 90 days. Do you automatically sue them? No. Do you refuse to work with them in the future? It depends; if you automatically rejected every client who breaks the contract by not paying exactly on time you probably would run out of clients very quickly.

You need to be in the hole for something like $50,000 before it's worth the money involved in suing someone. So most of the time people cut deals and work something out.

Let's suppose you're underwater on your mortgage.

It's hell on your credit rating, but if it's not your DREAM HOUSE you'd be stupid to stick with the loan.

Let's suppose you bid on a construction project, but a machine somewhere broke and you can't afford to replace it. Finishing the bid will make you go bankrupt; it's more rational to break the contract.

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