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On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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post #209

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That problem is a lot, lot smaller than the problem of people dying in Ukraine as they typed out that statement.

Officially supported funding would make them a legitimate target in war.

like how the US was supposed to send them $400 million in military aid? [0] Or the EU is sending them €1.2 billion?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_impeachment_of_Donald_Tr...

[1] https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022...

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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post #190

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Your comment was flagged, i vouched for it so i can downvote and rebuke. No. Inaction is equal to support of the Russian invasion ( like in so many other cases). People have to decide for themselves what they want, where their morals lie, and how they want to act on that. Message of support? Donation? Whatever. Ignoring the problem only helps the war criminals. Don't critique people for daring to speak and act agains…

>Inaction is equal to support of the Russian invasion It certainly is not.

It most certainly is. In terms of the U.S.'s own involvement, we floated the idea of Ukraine joining NATO, but then did nothing to ensure it actually happened, and the end result is invasion.

Staying neutral on the matter of a straightforward invasion of another country where there is no meaningful "two sides to the issue" analysis to be had is equivalent to materially supporting the invasion. Anyone remotely rational has condemned these actions. True neutrally is only desirable for those who want to continue doing business with the Kremlin or who have other nefarious designs.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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"Bitcoin is about freedom", you say as a response to Bitcoin being used to fund an invasion? How do you not see the absurdity of this claim?

It's like oxygen. Is it bad because the invaders can also breathe it in? Ukranian government is very much pro-crypto. https://www.kmu.gov.ua/en/news/parlament-uhvaliv-zakon-pro-v...

It's actually nothing like that.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Considering that they use funds only (mostly) to buy defence stuff and to support the recovery of the veterans (there will be many with PTSD and injuries after this war), Patreon is in a morally wrong territory here.

Like other posters said there are several other ways to support this fund (crypto / wire transfer) or Ukrainian army directly (wire transfer).

With crypto there is an almost 100% chance the money transfer will go through. Not sure about banks, haven't heard anything about wire transfers not going through

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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post #71

Twitter has just blocked https://twitter.com/OSINT_Ukraine account. Good job Twitter, congratulation, Mr. Putin certainly approves your support.

Youtube banning people and channels that support Ukraine or watch live streams from Kiev. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30467384

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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post #171

This title seems designed to cause outrage. In their post, it's very clear why they couldn't allow the account to remain active: "The website of the organization says they use contributions to finance and train military personnel." Individuals should not be funding foreign militaries. It does not matter if the country was unjustly attacked or not.

How so? There is preciously little else you can do to feel like you may make a difference.

Not that I believe donating here would have helped, but…

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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post #9

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It's self-defense. Or is that bad too?

We all know the final outcome of this. In the face of the overwhelming force Ukraine faces it seems to me any help we provide is just going to prolong the agony.

Please fix your comment, you're basically saying that Ukraine should just roll over. What happens next? Think before replying, you may come across as a Russia apologist.

the Taliban and IS dragged out the conflict in the middle east for 20 years and came out victorious against an army that spent trillions on that conflict. That was after said army was defeated in Vietnam as well.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Look at the cost though. Afghanistan is the poorest country in the world, people are actually starving there now, women aren't allowed to work, people are being murdered for their political beliefs. Just so they could give their invaders a bloody nose.

I think there is nuance there but it may derail the intent of my comment: It is not a foregone conclusion that an invasion with intent of regime change and control is actually a viable strategy. The point of the Afghanistan inclusion is that the relative miltary strengths were even more lopsided yet it was not enough for Russia nor the US to maintain control. Insurgencies are devastating and the more legitimate they…

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Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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post #190

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Your comment was flagged, i vouched for it so i can downvote and rebuke. No. Inaction is equal to support of the Russian invasion ( like in so many other cases). People have to decide for themselves what they want, where their morals lie, and how they want to act on that. Message of support? Donation? Whatever. Ignoring the problem only helps the war criminals. Don't critique people for daring to speak and act agains…

> Inaction is equal to support of the Russian invasion

No, no it isn't, in this or in other situations. More than two choices _usually_ exist. Statements like this present a false dichotomy in an attempt to coerce people to support a preferred position or interpretation.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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I know emotions are running high in this thread but asking to educate myself. Ukraine is not a tiny nation, and Russia is huge. In that scenario how will a small assortment of weapons and software even help them? Do they even need weapons help? Also how can a charity buy that list and supply? Can an organization buy them, feels like that kind of a purchase should be restricted to countries only.

> Ukraine is not a tiny nation, and Russia is huge. The US, the most well-funded army in the world for the past generation, hasn't won a war since the end of WW2. Army size and the like does not matter. The Ukranian forces can entrench themselves and maintain a guerilla war for a long time, as long as they have supplies. I strongly feel like wars are unwinnable. It either ends up in a stalemate and attrition - see th…

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