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Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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…for a couple more weeks of winter.

And also next winter. We absolutely have the means to get rid of our dependence on Russian fossil fuels (and fossil fuels in general). But we won't be able to do it within one year.

But we may be able to topple Putin in a year if we stopped buying Russian fossil fuels immediately - the Russian economy would crash rather quickly.

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> US leaders have been aggressively rallying for war with Russia for many many years Source please.

Not at all the person you're responding to, and don't agree in the slightest with their viewpoint, however from what i recall Hillary Clinton was selling herself very tough on Russia in the last election she lost.

"being tough on Russia" is very far from "aggressively rallying for war with Russia".

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> They overthrew a functional government in Libya That's not really an argument in itself tho.

It is if you look at the state of Libya today. They overthrew Ghadafi for the sole reason of him being anti-Imperialist, killing and ruining the lives of millions in the process.

More or less. They overthrew Gadaffi, but the country tore itself apart.

I’m all for blaming the US where it’s warranted, but I don’t think that particular instance is it.

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The US overall has been worse to the Middle East overall than Russia is my argument. You knew that, of course, but you chose the vaguest claim in my argument, and ignored the rest which are also valid just to make yourself feel better. Which is fine, of course.

Reading this for a second time and sticking to what I said about being ashamed for many of the things the west did I'd also like to remind that Russia hasn't really done much at all in the middle East. But I can remember stories from my childhood about Russians tying up Afghan fighters and driving over them with tanks to make an example, so again without defending drone strikes on weddings or Abu Ghraib or anything o…

Your first response is very respectful and much appreciated. As for this comment, you have a fair point. I don't doubt that if you ask Ukrainians right now, they will say that Russia is 10x worse than the USA, and they would be correct. Looking at the big picture, all current superpowers are genocidal power hungry tyrants, to various degrees.

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This thread is mostly full of jokes, and that's cool. But more seriously I'm exactly the kind of person I suppose this is meant to appeal to. I've spent the last 2-3 decades breaking into systems. Many of these systems comprise what the US calls "critical infrastructure". That's pipelines, power generation, transmission, distribution. Air traffic control systems. Government agencies. I'm based in the US. The problem…

The US does not currently have a legal permission to be in Ukraine. Ukraine does not have a defense agreement with the US that could land troops, Ukraine is not a NATO member, so forth. Right now, for the US to cyberattack Russia would be a direct act of war and quite literally cause the Cold War to become the Hot War. For this reason, just like how our troops are not in Ukraine but in surrounding countries watching,…

More likely our NSA is only working when they can cover their tracks. Possibly by giving Ukrainian intelligence credit for their actions.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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This thread is mostly full of jokes, and that's cool. But more seriously I'm exactly the kind of person I suppose this is meant to appeal to. I've spent the last 2-3 decades breaking into systems. Many of these systems comprise what the US calls "critical infrastructure". That's pipelines, power generation, transmission, distribution. Air traffic control systems. Government agencies. I'm based in the US. The problem…

I am surprised this is the top comment. Not that it's not well argued but what seems to imply of the reading by most of the current situation.

The joke of sanctions implemented by the EU and the US, and they are a joke, since EU continues to import gas from Russia, and SWIFT use continues by the Russian Federation, is a symptom of the same attitude seen on many Ukraine residents just 48 hours ago.

A kind of cognitive disconnect between the obvious war coming your way, and a refusal to accept it, until it is at your door.

You have a ex-president of the United States openly praising the Russian president on the media, and also US TV networks openly doing the treasonous job of promoting Russian views in the US. If the Russian army quickly overtakes Ukraine you have Russian troops staring across the border to Polish troops. Some of the small countries that are now members of NATO, still have small pockets of Russian speaking communities. You think Russia will not claim they are also being discriminated and need another peace keeping operation?

In case of a conflict between Russia and a NATO member, it's mushroom clouds we are looking into. So I find your legalistic concerns incredibly detached from the seriousness of the current situation.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US overall has been worse to the Middle East overall than Russia is my argument. You knew that, of course, but you chose the vaguest claim in my argument, and ignored the rest which are also valid just to make yourself feel better. Which is fine, of course.

Reading this for a second time and sticking to what I said about being ashamed for many of the things the west did I'd also like to remind that Russia hasn't really done much at all in the middle East. But I can remember stories from my childhood about Russians tying up Afghan fighters and driving over them with tanks to make an example, so again without defending drone strikes on weddings or Abu Ghraib or anything o…

Looking at history, Russia seems like the lesser evil here. It makes far more sense to have security concerns over your backyard. Attacking the local mosque on the other side of the river, because a Muslim robber came by is not self-defense

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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If there was any justice in this world, hackers would compromise SWIFT and do what the EU is too cowardly to do.

Will that result in more or less suffering overall?

War is stupid. Once you've been stupid enough to get into a war, you have to make a bunch of stupid choices.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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So let me get this straight, on 27th September it’s the BbC causing panic, despite every petrol forecourt in the country having the print press on display showing these headlines https://www.expressandstar.com/news/uk-news/2021/09/27/what-... And the government promising the send the army in?

The BBC broke the news first. Today's media are quite rapid and who knows what's been discussed down the pub the night before. When looking at the 30-40min delays in filling in which was largely concentrated in cities, how many people sat queueing for fuel were considering an electric car? And then those filling up were limited to £20 or £30 of fuel so they experienced the same range anxiety as someone with an electr…

Daily Mail headline at 0930BST on 24th was

Panic buying begins

Prepare for the worst

Winter of discontent

Fuel rationing

ARMY to step in

BBc headline was

“Petrol shortage, don’t rush to buy say ministers”

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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post #94

This thread is mostly full of jokes, and that's cool. But more seriously I'm exactly the kind of person I suppose this is meant to appeal to. I've spent the last 2-3 decades breaking into systems. Many of these systems comprise what the US calls "critical infrastructure". That's pipelines, power generation, transmission, distribution. Air traffic control systems. Government agencies. I'm based in the US. The problem…

I am surprised this is the top comment. Not that it's not well argued but what seems to imply of the reading by most of the current situation. The joke of sanctions implemented by the EU and the US, and they are a joke, since EU continues to import gas from Russia, and SWIFT use continues by the Russian Federation, is a symptom of the same attitude seen on many Ukraine residents just 48 hours ago. A kind of cognitive…

That’s a good point. I visited Latvia a few years ago and was struck by how large a section of society there identifies as Russian, to the extent that in some places you were more likely to hear people speaking Russian than Latvian.

Poland would be a more difficult target to justify than the Baltics; only 0.1% of Poles speak Russian; 30% of Latvians are native Russian speakers. I could see Putin going there next.

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