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Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by reitanqild »

MarcellusDrum wrote: post #260
randomsearch wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think the US has been worse for the Syrians than Russia’s indiscriminate bombing of its cities, I cannot take the rest of your argument seriously.

The US overall has been worse to the Middle East overall than Russia is my argument. You knew that, of course, but you chose the vaguest claim in my argument, and ignored the rest which are also valid just to make yourself feel better. Which is fine, of course.

Reading this for a second time and sticking to what I said about being ashamed for many of the things the west did I'd also like to remind that Russia hasn't really done much at all in the middle East.

But I can remember stories from my childhood about Russians tying up Afghan fighters and driving over them with tanks to make an example, so again without defending drone strikes on weddings or Abu Ghraib or anything other spectacularly bad I

1.) think it wouldn't have been much better if it was the Russians who went in

2.) think the reason why the Russian government hasn't been involved in more badness in the middle east until recently has not been its peaceful nature but the fact that they have been cash strapped.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by tunnuz »

bink wrote: post #94

This thread is mostly full of jokes, and that's cool. But more seriously I'm exactly the kind of person I suppose this is meant to appeal to. I've spent the last 2-3 decades breaking into systems. Many of these systems comprise what the US calls "critical infrastructure". That's pipelines, power generation, transmission, distribution. Air traffic control systems. Government agencies. I'm based in the US. The problem…

Can you support by training people?

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by Teever »

bink wrote: post #102
stickfigure wrote: post #100

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I think it's reasonable to assume that for at least the next few months, you have a strange form of "diplomatic immunity" for attacks in Russia. No jury in the US would convict you, even in the unlikely event someone wanted to prosecute (which would be political suicide here). So, have at it.

That's a huge gamble most people aren't willing to accept.

I guarantee you there are American veterans who are flying right now to Europe with the intention of making their way to Ukraine to help on the ground -- there were crazy fucks doing this in Syria a few years ago.

That's a huge gamble.

What you're talking about is not.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by majewsky »

ant6n wrote: post #304
sofixa wrote: post #290

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The problem with that is that Europe needs Russian gas to flow, and Putin knows that.

…for a couple more weeks of winter.

And also next winter. We absolutely have the means to get rid of our dependence on Russian fossil fuels (and fossil fuels in general). But we won't be able to do it within one year.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by reitanqild »

vidarh wrote: post #292
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #278

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>German soldiers would cryingly admit to POWs already at the start of the war that they were absolutely not voluntarily there, they'd just be shot if they refused No shit they weren't there voluntarily, no sane people want to go to their death, but those were the rules for mandatory conscription for them back then. Even today some European countries still have mandatory conscription, and while they won't shoot you fo…

Ironically given the comment you replied to, Norway is one of them. I had military police trying to reach me the last few weeks before I moved to the UK to try to hand deliver a conscription notice as a necessary step before charging me if I again failed to show up (I'd ignored several prior notices). I didn't leave because of that, but I did delight I telling them I was beyond their reach. Finally picked up the phon…

My grandfather on my dads side refused military and got away with prison.

My grandfather on ny mothers side served and helped hold the nazis back for a few days in his home country and maybe helped some people get away. He later had to surrender and spent a short time in a POW camp before being released.

I respect both very much but I decided to do as my dad and serve.

It absolutely felt like the right thing to do for me.

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Post by mellavora »

MarcellusDrum wrote: post #260
randomsearch wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think the US has been worse for the Syrians than Russia’s indiscriminate bombing of its cities, I cannot take the rest of your argument seriously.

The US overall has been worse to the Middle East overall than Russia is my argument. You knew that, of course, but you chose the vaguest claim in my argument, and ignored the rest which are also valid just to make yourself feel better. Which is fine, of course.

If you want to be historically (more) accurate, you might want to go back to Churchill's decision to extend UK power to this region of the world, in an attempt to get the UK fleet to move from coal to oil power.

You could also look at some of the responses and choices made by the people/cultures native to this region over the years since then. Yes, "cultures" is plural.

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Post by Aeolun »

black_puppydog wrote: post #147
jtsuken wrote: post #130

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If you don't want to engage on the offensive side, there is plenty of work on the defensive side of things. * Detect and notify the Ukrainian government about threats or upcoming attacks. * Identify coordinated manipulative behaviour on social media. * Last but not least contact Patreon's management to release the funds that have been donated to Ukrainian veterans ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30461038 ) Fee…

Sorry but what? * It looks like there won't be a Ukrainian government to speak of in a few days. * Manipulative behaviour has been identified on twitter and Facebook almost every day for the last few years, and it hasn't really led to much anything. The Ukrainian government can't do anything about that, if the independent banana republics of FAANG don't decide to act, nothing is gonna change. * Likewise for patreon.…

> It looks like there won't be a Ukrainian government to speak of in a few days.

I don’t see why this would be true. The legitimate government doesn’t have to be in kiev to coordinate the defense of the country.

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Post by mellavora »

MarcellusDrum wrote: post #249
reitanqild wrote: post #235

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You are probably downvoted for - voluntarily or involuntarily (I cannot judge) - running the errands of the enemies of the free world by suggesting that it is hopeless while it is absolutely not. (Why is it not hopeless? Russian forces suffer large losses and their morale is breaking, after all, what sane person wants to shoot their peaceful neigbours and relatives? Russians are already taking to the streets to prote…

The phrase "the free world" rubs me the wrong way. I'm obviously against what Russia is doing, any sane man would be. But as a middle eastern, the US to us has been 10x worse than Russia: They killed a million Iraqis, they killed Syrian civilians by bombing hospitals and schools. They overthrew a functional government in Libya, and they supported Syrian/Iraqi separatists (Kurds). They forcefully tried to build a mili…

I agree with your point that "the free world" seldom lives up to the values it proclaims.

The difference might be that at least it proclaims them, and good people like yourself can hold them accountable to those values.

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Post by arrrg »

nopenopenopeno wrote: post #211
mikeyouse wrote: post #208

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He was narrowly elected and then had to flee the country once he started machine gunning unarmed protesters. Turns out his "narrow election" was at least partly due to the massive bribes he was paying out of the public coffers to election officials, opposition parties, & anti-corruption authorities. Literally nobody wants another war, hence why everyone is outraged at Russia for invading a peaceful Ukraine based on t…

Oh, please! You’re just reciting the ridiculous American media. US leaders have been aggressively rallying for war with Russia for many many years, and it has been especially intense over the past few months. Putin is insane, but the US has given him every reason to believe that striking sooner than later is in his best interest. They didn’t have to do that, ya know. Americans have plenty of problems at home, and it…

It doesn’t matter if tyrants are democratically elected. And he was a tyrant, indiscriminately slaughtering protesters.

Once you are violating human dignity and human rights in such an obvious way you are in no way a legitimate leader. Election victories can never be a justification for blatant human rights violations.

(This doesn’t even touch on whether the election was legitimate in the first place.)

Also, whataboutism isn’t very helpful in the current situation. It’s a pointless distraction and doesn’t make anything Putin does currently any less wrong. In general, whataboutism is just so incredibly unhelpful and pointless. It’s extremely dumb (or extremely clever in an evil way if you have an agenda).

(This is dangerously close to whataboutism, but just another point: you mention the EU removing him, however as far as I can tell there was no EU involved in his removal.)

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by Aeolun »

MarcellusDrum wrote: post #260
randomsearch wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think the US has been worse for the Syrians than Russia’s indiscriminate bombing of its cities, I cannot take the rest of your argument seriously.

The US overall has been worse to the Middle East overall than Russia is my argument. You knew that, of course, but you chose the vaguest claim in my argument, and ignored the rest which are also valid just to make yourself feel better. Which is fine, of course.

While I think that’s true to some extend, I have the feeling that Afghanistan is regressing now, which means that it must’ve arguably been better than it was before. at least for some half of the population.

You can certainly question whether that was worth the cost.

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