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Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by randomsearch »

aic5 wrote: post #188
LeFantome wrote: post #170

The only sanction that has enough teeth to so anything is to remove Russia from SWIFT. Without Germany’s backing, this will not happen. In addition to boycotting Russia, citizens of the world should be boycotting German products until they agree to ban Russia from SWIFT. Putin is risking World War III and Germany has decided to let it slide to avoid some short-term economic pain. Not cool.

Removing Russia from SWIFT is the financial equivalent of a nuclear option. It will block Russian banks and businesses to receive or pay for goods and services in the short term, effectively cutting them from the rest of the world. The message that weaponizing SWIFT will send is that the platform is no longer as reliable for financial purposes. In the long term, it will increase the interest for alternative solutions…

If what you said were true, western countries would not be divided on this issue. It just so happens that Germany are being cowardly over this issue, and the Germans are dependent on Russian energy.

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Post by fairity »

nopenopenopeno wrote: post #211
mikeyouse wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was narrowly elected and then had to flee the country once he started machine gunning unarmed protesters. Turns out his "narrow election" was at least partly due to the massive bribes he was paying out of the public coffers to election officials, opposition parties, & anti-corruption authorities. Literally nobody wants another war, hence why everyone is outraged at Russia for invading a peaceful Ukraine based on t…

Oh, please! You’re just reciting the ridiculous American media. US leaders have been aggressively rallying for war with Russia for many many years, and it has been especially intense over the past few months. Putin is insane, but the US has given him every reason to believe that striking sooner than later is in his best interest. They didn’t have to do that, ya know. Americans have plenty of problems at home, and it…

> US leaders have been aggressively rallying for war with Russia for many many years

Source please.

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Post by ukrleut »

mapcars wrote: post #222
black_puppydog wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry but what? * It looks like there won't be a Ukrainian government to speak of in a few days. * Manipulative behaviour has been identified on twitter and Facebook almost every day for the last few years, and it hasn't really led to much anything. The Ukrainian government can't do anything about that, if the independent banana republics of FAANG don't decide to act, nothing is gonna change. * Likewise for patreon.…

>* It looks like there won't be a Ukrainian government to speak of in a few days. Do you know the future for 100%? If not doesn't it worth a try?

It's the same "into Kyiv in two weeks" narrative for last 8 years.

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Post by reitanqild »

Loic wrote: post #248
reitanqild wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are probably downvoted for - voluntarily or involuntarily (I cannot judge) - running the errands of the enemies of the free world by suggesting that it is hopeless while it is absolutely not. (Why is it not hopeless? Russian forces suffer large losses and their morale is breaking, after all, what sane person wants to shoot their peaceful neigbours and relatives? Russians are already taking to the streets to prote…

The most important part in what you wrote: > no sane person wants to shoot their peaceful neighbors and relatives and this is the case for all Russians even most of the ones in the army in Ukraine, right now. People do not want war. Period. For a human being to go to war, he/she needs to be heavily indoctrinated to the point of partially losing is normal references. Even today, with heavily indoctrinated armies, only…

Luckily this also favours the defending side somewhat I hope:

From listening to people who grew up with the veterans here in Norway I've learned that:

- Germans were told they came here to protect us against the British so they would - in the beginning of the war - shoot to suppress, not to kill. I guess Russian soldiers coming into Ukraine has been tricked to believe the "peace keeping" nonsense too and had a rude awakening.

- Norwegians however were already mad and shot to kill. I guess this holds true for Ukrainians too. This is natural and we've seen it in Afghanistan, Iraq etc too I think.

- German soldiers would cryingly admit to POWs already at the start of the war that they were absolutely not voluntarily there, they'd just be shot if they refused.

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Post by bink »

8bitchemistry wrote: post #160
csee wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He blamed the US media for stoking tensions in the lead up to the invasion. Then silence.

Perhaps he doesn't want to find a new place to live, in contrast to Assange and Moreno.

Does he even have a valid passport? Doesn't seem like he even has the option.

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Post by hedora »

thelittleone wrote: post #55
simne wrote: post #25

I'm Ukrainian activist for 10+ years, have been on Maidan, etc, know many other activists. Unfortunately, we have not seen understanding with any government. Looks like, all people who got to government or state organizations, work on classical totalitarian scheme - "for friends all the best, for all others - severity of the law". Mean, system is so much disbalanced, that any government got totalitarian power and doe…

Some of the best developers I've worked with are Ukrainians. I've been hiring there for over 10 years with great results.

Same here. I wonder if the US could expedite setting up a refugee pipeline to the Bay Area. Guessing most people in the region would be for it.

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Post by reitanqild »

MarcellusDrum wrote: post #249
reitanqild wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are probably downvoted for - voluntarily or involuntarily (I cannot judge) - running the errands of the enemies of the free world by suggesting that it is hopeless while it is absolutely not. (Why is it not hopeless? Russian forces suffer large losses and their morale is breaking, after all, what sane person wants to shoot their peaceful neigbours and relatives? Russians are already taking to the streets to prote…

The phrase "the free world" rubs me the wrong way. I'm obviously against what Russia is doing, any sane man would be. But as a middle eastern, the US to us has been 10x worse than Russia: They killed a million Iraqis, they killed Syrian civilians by bombing hospitals and schools. They overthrew a functional government in Libya, and they supported Syrian/Iraqi separatists (Kurds). They forcefully tried to build a mili…

All good points. I am ashamed for both some of the things that happened and that way too few has been held responsible.

Please forgive those of us who where tricked into it, too young to vote etc.

I'll try to do my part to prevent more of it.

Edit: as for the phrase "the free world", read it to mean "freer to those inside it" if that helps.

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Post by raxxorrax »

LeFantome wrote: post #170

The only sanction that has enough teeth to so anything is to remove Russia from SWIFT. Without Germany’s backing, this will not happen. In addition to boycotting Russia, citizens of the world should be boycotting German products until they agree to ban Russia from SWIFT. Putin is risking World War III and Germany has decided to let it slide to avoid some short-term economic pain. Not cool.

SWIFT was already questioned when it was already used against Iran, a supposed exception. The service relies on neutrality towards any transaction, it is not a vehicle for war.

Many Russian banks are already under sanction.

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Post by hedora »

simne wrote: post #25

I'm Ukrainian activist for 10+ years, have been on Maidan, etc, know many other activists. Unfortunately, we have not seen understanding with any government. Looks like, all people who got to government or state organizations, work on classical totalitarian scheme - "for friends all the best, for all others - severity of the law". Mean, system is so much disbalanced, that any government got totalitarian power and doe…

People inside the Ukraine or Russia should read the US WWII Simple Sabotage Field Manual:

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/26184/page-images/26184-imag...

Winning the ground war will probably be easy for Putin. Governing the resulting quagmire will be much more difficult.

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Post by trevormcneal »

bink wrote: post #94

This thread is mostly full of jokes, and that's cool. But more seriously I'm exactly the kind of person I suppose this is meant to appeal to. I've spent the last 2-3 decades breaking into systems. Many of these systems comprise what the US calls "critical infrastructure". That's pipelines, power generation, transmission, distribution. Air traffic control systems. Government agencies. I'm based in the US. The problem…

I can say that I know people who are much less skilled than you and also less ethic, that are hacking into any low hanging fruit that they can and selling a shell (access) to those systems to FSB. I imagine that Ukraine would have a similar program to pay for such kind of access on Russia infrastructure or government systems.
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