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Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by Hackbraten »

nopenopenopeno wrote: post #179
jtsuken wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The central bank accepts donations on behalf of the Ukrainian army: https://bank.gov.ua/en/news/all/natsionalniy-bank-vidkriv-sp...

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I just donated to the Ukrainian army. They’re people too, and deserve the best medical and logistic support money can buy.

The ruling class in Moscow isn’t just attacking some other ruling class. They’re attacking _my_ Europe.

I don’t care about any military-industrial complex, or even the military in general. But the moment that some misguided person decides to launch rockets at Europe, I’m not willing to just sit back and let that happen.

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Post by mapcars »

black_puppydog wrote: post #147
jtsuken wrote: post #130

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If you don't want to engage on the offensive side, there is plenty of work on the defensive side of things. * Detect and notify the Ukrainian government about threats or upcoming attacks. * Identify coordinated manipulative behaviour on social media. * Last but not least contact Patreon's management to release the funds that have been donated to Ukrainian veterans ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30461038 ) Fee…

Sorry but what? * It looks like there won't be a Ukrainian government to speak of in a few days. * Manipulative behaviour has been identified on twitter and Facebook almost every day for the last few years, and it hasn't really led to much anything. The Ukrainian government can't do anything about that, if the independent banana republics of FAANG don't decide to act, nothing is gonna change. * Likewise for patreon.…

>* It looks like there won't be a Ukrainian government to speak of in a few days.

Do you know the future for 100%? If not doesn't it worth a try?

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Post by oblio »

vladcodes wrote: post #158
vladcodes wrote: post #154

Please help to remove a separatist outrage symbolic https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B0173GKOM2/ref=ox_sc_act_ti... The item represents a pseudo-flag with a separatist connotation and outrages the Flag of Ukraine. Namely: the russian coat of arms on the National Flag of Ukraine with a provoking "Odesa Republic" (Одесская Республика) и "Novorossia" ("Новороссия") or "New Russia" labels. This is NOT acceptable and the…

Report the item via Report incorrect product information. -> Conflicting details -> Incorrect Information or a direct message to Amazon/Seller

It's down, already ;-)

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Post by thesz »

glogla wrote: post #210
black_puppydog wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry but what? * It looks like there won't be a Ukrainian government to speak of in a few days. * Manipulative behaviour has been identified on twitter and Facebook almost every day for the last few years, and it hasn't really led to much anything. The Ukrainian government can't do anything about that, if the independent banana republics of FAANG don't decide to act, nothing is gonna change. * Likewise for patreon.…

I'm guessing you're getting downvoted for aggresive tone. But you are right that social media networks are strong enablers of evil and helpers to enemies of freedom and democracy. Facebook and Twitter could easily stop (almost) all the misinformation and propaganda, but they don't because it makes them money.

What you consider misinformation and propaganda I may consider valuable vantage points.

I also should point that any defense of the freedom of speech also defends freedom of misinformation and propaganda.

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Post by jxramos »

vladcodes wrote: post #154

Please help to remove a separatist outrage symbolic https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B0173GKOM2/ref=ox_sc_act_ti... The item represents a pseudo-flag with a separatist connotation and outrages the Flag of Ukraine. Namely: the russian coat of arms on the National Flag of Ukraine with a provoking "Odesa Republic" (Одесская Республика) и "Novorossia" ("Новороссия") or "New Russia" labels. This is NOT acceptable and the…

looks like that link is down now. > Sorry! We couldn't find that page. Try searching or go to Amazon's home page.

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Post by imwillofficial »

RotaryTelephone wrote: post #7
imwillofficial wrote: post #3

Interesting, I wonder how hack groups have comms and form groups over stuff like this. I’m not plugged into the hacker underground, how does it work?

Nice try, FBI.

Just always been blue team. Always curious about the dark side

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Post by chaxor »

wolverine876 wrote: post #89
charlieyu1 wrote: post #22

Doubt the effectiveness. Modern day internet architecture is very secure. Script kiddies spamming DDOS with zombie networks may well be more damaging

> Modern day internet architecture is very secure. Seriously? That doesn't seem to match the outcomes of regular breeches, 0-days, etc. - many reported right here. The state of security is often considered terrible and unrepairable; experts advise assuming you have been breeched.

Ah, yes. Things are so terrible now. Definitely not like the days in which http didnt have TLS, and NFS was used over the internet. All credentials and secrets free of any in transit encryption. Much more secure back then.

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Post by watwut »

thesz wrote: post #224
glogla wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm guessing you're getting downvoted for aggresive tone. But you are right that social media networks are strong enablers of evil and helpers to enemies of freedom and democracy. Facebook and Twitter could easily stop (almost) all the misinformation and propaganda, but they don't because it makes them money.

What you consider misinformation and propaganda I may consider valuable vantage points. I also should point that any defense of the freedom of speech also defends freedom of misinformation and propaganda.

> What you consider misinformation and propaganda I may consider valuable vantage points.

If they are actual misinformation and propaganda and you are unwilling to even admit existence of that category, then you yourself are threat to freedom - of speech or otherwise.

> I also should point that any defense of the freedom of speech also defends freedom of misinformation and propaganda.

Nah. Defenders of free speech not being willing to criticize misinformation and propaganda, calling those "valuable vantage points" and being quick to criticize and attempt to shut up criticism of those is what is dangerous for free speech.

Pointing out misinformation and propaganda as such is a good thing.

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Post by thebradbain »

verve_rat wrote: post #201
deepGem wrote: post #140

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Am not from the US but this seems very risky. Is there someone at the government who can clarify such guarantees. Am also curious what are the high level logistics to carry out something like this. Do you seek an untraceable route to Ukarine from US ? Do you unleash a worm like Stuxnet that will eventually cripple all Russian cyber attack infra ?

Jury nullification. The idea is that a jury is allowed to make its decision without any outside interference. A jury can acquit a person even it they think the person is guilty. Thus a jury could give you a fee pass on hacking Russian systems, but you'd be relying on them to realise that and then think the moral reasons for acquittal out weigh the legal reasons for conviction. Obviously courts don't like jury nullifi…

It’s also not necessarily a legal strategy even as a Hail Mary.

California’s state Supreme Court ruled in 2001 that jury nullification is not a valid decision… and my understanding is if the outcome case can be attributed to “jury nullification” (i.e. could be as obvious as the defense suggesting it as an avenue to the jury, which ironically itself is legal, or as technical as the jury refusing to consider or explicitly refusing a piece of evidence that is entered in the record— think a moral objection to the law, or “evidence undeniably shows the defendant left the scene at 7pm, but we the jury contend it was 6pm”) it legally would be considered a mistrial and allowed to be re-litigated— and the sole person who has the power to attribute something to jury nullification and/or declare mistrial? The judge.

https://sddefenseattorneys.com/blog/jury-nullification/

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Post by id02009 »

eatbitseveryday wrote: post #32
simne wrote: post #25

I'm Ukrainian activist for 10+ years, have been on Maidan, etc, know many other activists. Unfortunately, we have not seen understanding with any government. Looks like, all people who got to government or state organizations, work on classical totalitarian scheme - "for friends all the best, for all others - severity of the law". Mean, system is so much disbalanced, that any government got totalitarian power and doe…

> If you really want to help Ukraine, better to contact volunteers-entrepreneurs, who where on Maidan, and who struggle for economic freedoms, and support Ukrainian army as private persons, without government/state. > You could just donate, or you could create some business opportunity, so Ukrainians will make business, export working hours, or export some products to world. This makes sense, but I wonder if this wou…

Most long term solutions don't work in short term, but you need to start them some day. One of the reasons why Russia attacked is weak, corrupt Ukrainian government. Other is economic dependency making everyone think twice before retaliating.
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