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Soybean oil affects hypothalamus, causes genetic changes in mice: study (2020)

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

langsoul-com wrote: post #419
voldacar wrote: post #273

It's nice to see the anti seed oil discourse ramping up lately, but I'm sort of pessimistic about this. Like what is the endgame, exactly? Seed oils are in basically everything. Trying to avoid them is like trying to avoid endocrine disruptors by not touching plastic or eating anything that has touched plastic. It's sort of an absurd thing to even attempt, it would drive you insane.

Basically speaking, you CANNOT eat out, no sauces, only home cooked foods. Even those need to be careful checked to not contain oils. Technically, if you did the carnivore diet using 80% animal fat butter, or lard, then it'll be fine. Except, the price you pay is enormous. Can't even eat a caesar salad!

I’m vegan and already prepare basically all of my meals so this seems fine. I bet there are crackers and stuff I eat with this in it but I can control that. And I don’t eat caesar salad. I’m not going to worry now but I’ll keep an eye on this seed oil discourse, I hadn’t heard of it!

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

voldacar wrote: post #308
whalesalad wrote: post #294

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This is an avoidable problem though. We invented this by racing to the bottom and assembling “food” with substitutes for real nutrition. The goal is to educate humanity so that we can start making more conscious decisions about what we eat and move away from this.

>The goal is to educate humanity so that we can start making more conscious decisions I don't think you can educate your way out of economies of scale that make it cheap to feed people garbage. The only real solution would be to declare PUFA as unfit for human consumption but that won't happen obviously Besides, many people really will just eat whatever crispy oily sugary slop has the shiniest packaging. It is unplea…

Actually there has been a well documented effort by the sugar industry to mis-educate our way in to this crisis so it seems perfectly reasonable that better correct education about health could help a lot. It’s not just about not putting too much in your mouth, it is about making informed decisions about what to eat. It’s about deciding which foods to eat and understanding what the trade offs are between various choices. That’s non trivial and requires education to get right. For example for breakfast should you have a bagel and cream cheese, a bowl of cereal, eggs and toast, a grapefruit, or nothing at all? These are things we can educate on.

I spent a month recently absorbing a lot of the videos created by NutritionFacts.org. The real answers are guided by scientific research and knowing them can make a huge difference.

This little panel discussion on the sugar industry’s efforts is a great watch. https://youtu.be/-s5szfPYKY4

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Post by nobrains »

voldacar wrote: post #273

It's nice to see the anti seed oil discourse ramping up lately, but I'm sort of pessimistic about this. Like what is the endgame, exactly? Seed oils are in basically everything. Trying to avoid them is like trying to avoid endocrine disruptors by not touching plastic or eating anything that has touched plastic. It's sort of an absurd thing to even attempt, it would drive you insane.

You can avoid them by buying raw single-ingredients and cooking at home. It is also cheaper.

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Post by prvnsmpth »

colechristensen wrote: post #347
buckthundaz wrote: post #316

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If you cook your own food, it is easy to avoid. Simply don't buy them. Use tallow, ghee, butter, coconut oilt. Note that this simple method of making what you eat will mitigate exposure to endocrine disrupting plastics too.

Coconut is a seed.

The botanical classification doesn’t matter - coconut oil is primarily saturated fat which is what makes it better for you over the PUFA that comes from seed oils.

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Post by pronlover723 »

SpringDrive wrote: post #296
voldacar wrote: post #273

It's nice to see the anti seed oil discourse ramping up lately, but I'm sort of pessimistic about this. Like what is the endgame, exactly? Seed oils are in basically everything. Trying to avoid them is like trying to avoid endocrine disruptors by not touching plastic or eating anything that has touched plastic. It's sort of an absurd thing to even attempt, it would drive you insane.

As someone who's quite interested in the anti-seed oil discourse/slowly forming movement, my endgame is simply having more people aware of what's in their food. We've accepted what's been handed to us for so long, without a significant percentage of the population stopping to look at exactly what's on the plate. The more people that are stopping to read ingredients labels. analyze their diet, and think critically abo…

I suspect this will lead to more people believing in bunk rather than less.

I'd rather people eat cheeseburgers than seeing bottles of water advertised as "gluten free"

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Post by WillPostForFood »

colechristensen wrote: post #347
buckthundaz wrote: post #316

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If you cook your own food, it is easy to avoid. Simply don't buy them. Use tallow, ghee, butter, coconut oilt. Note that this simple method of making what you eat will mitigate exposure to endocrine disrupting plastics too.

Coconut is a seed.

The coconut is surprisingly complicated, a seed and more.

Botanically speaking, a coconut is a fibrous one-seeded drupe, also known as a dry drupe. However, when using loose definitions, the coconut can be all three: a fruit, a nut, and a seed.

Full article is worth reading:

https://www.loc.gov/everyday-mysteries/item/is-a-coconut-a-f....

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Post by foobiekr »

nebula8804 wrote: post #298
voldacar wrote: post #273

It's nice to see the anti seed oil discourse ramping up lately, but I'm sort of pessimistic about this. Like what is the endgame, exactly? Seed oils are in basically everything. Trying to avoid them is like trying to avoid endocrine disruptors by not touching plastic or eating anything that has touched plastic. It's sort of an absurd thing to even attempt, it would drive you insane.

>Trying to avoid them is like trying to avoid endocrine disruptors by not touching plastic or eating anything that has touched plastic. Is there any evidence that something transfers to you if you do touch it? This is the first I am hearing about something like this. I thought plastic was essentially a solid. I have been interested in converting much of my daily interaction of plastic to other materials. Things like…

As an example, thermal paper receipts used to literally be BPA powder on paper. Ever known someone to eat after handling a receipt without washing their hands, or to tuck the receipt in their mouth (yes) to told its while juggling other items?

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Post by chihuahua »

collegeburner wrote: post #417
chihuahua wrote: post #341

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I'm a little confused, you write "vegetarian" but did you mean "vegan"? "The few vegetarian dishes ... are often not nearly as good as yogurt, meat, eggs, or [...] whey protein" Yogurt, eggs and whey protein are vegetarian (but not vegan). Vegetarian is extremely easy (I eat 95% vegetarian because it's cheaper and easier), vegan is very difficult and requires significant sacrifices. Or maybe I misunderstood your sent…

Hmm I don't know that I have to be either strictly, I'm thinking about cutting down my intake mostly of meat but also things like eggs that can carry through higher concentrations. Plus if there is some good complete plant protein that tastes fine, I hope maybe it's cheaper (eating lots of protein is expensive LOL)

I really like canned black beans. They have a decent amount of protein and fiber, they taste good, they're pretty cheap, and you just have to heat them up. Lentils are also good, but they take a while to cook. I use the white rice setting on the rice cooker.

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Post by sinyug »

heavyset_go wrote: post #407
sinyug wrote: post #39

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> Soybean oil I saw this video about seed oils a few months back.[1] Some of the information there tracked stuff I have been reading for a while. Decided to switch over completely to coconut oil and ghee (clarified butter). A comment on the video that matches my view on the subject: > If you want to be healthy just do the exact opposite of everything we were told about nutrition by mainstream experts for decades [1]…

Coconut oils are high in lauric and palmitic acids, both of which have tomes of evidence pointing to them causing and exacerbating cardiovascular disease. The MCTs in coconut oil might have some positive health effects alone, but research on the consumption of coconut oil itself suggest that it increases risks of CVD.

> pointing to them causing and exacerbating cardiovascular disease

Unless the studies include tens of thousands of people from South India (particularly Kerala) and Sri Lanka where the coconut and its oil have been used in large quantities in the diet for thousands of years, I don't consider them to be relevant. It is possible that the West has no tolerance for the stuff.

You should try to eat what your ancestors did. We Indians became obese and incidences of lifestyle diseases like diabetes and heart disease increased heavily after we shifted to seed oils and started consuming sugar, refined flours and processed flours in massive quantities since the late 1970s/ early 1980s.

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