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Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by GekkePrutser »

merlincorey wrote: post #95
freedomben wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're not requesting script kiddies, and they're not asking for a bunch of vigilantes. They want applications: > "Ukrainian cybercommunity! It's time to get involved in the cyber defense of our country," the post read, asking hackers and cybersecurity experts to submit an application via Google docs, listing their specialties, such as malware development, and professional references. You'd be amazed at how well off…

> asking hackers and cybersecurity experts to submit an application via Google docs, listing their specialties, such as malware development, and professional references. So it's effectively a free honey pot for Russia to get information on Ukranian cyber security professionals and a free pass to infiltrate them?

Considering the state officials that are publicly speaking about it, no.

But it sure is disingenuous using something as low sec like Google docs. At least get people to submit it via GPG or something...

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by jazzyjackson »

TheFreim wrote: post #59
lalaland1125 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

rt.com seems down from my perspective DDoSes are simple tools, but they can be extremely effective at stopping Russian propaganda mills.

I am not familiar with RT, what "propaganda" were they spreading? I've known of "rt.com" for a while, seeing it posted occasionally, and it never was anything that gave me pause (didn't even known it stood for Russia Today until today).

They're pretty interesting because they have an incentive to be reliable in order for people to trust them. They are also generous with appearance fees so they gets lots of famous Americans on the screen Larry King, Glenn Beck and Ron Paul come to mind. Funny, when googling for examples of Americans appearing on RT a couple of Quora posts came up that may illustrate RT's angle:

> Why does RT (Russia Today) claim that Americans are forced to use unsanitary public laundromats because federal law prohibits hanging clothes on clotheslines to dry?

> The TV show "Russia Today" said the USA is collapsing because of the super rich. Is this true or not true?

It seems to me RT does not necessarily lie to its viewers, it just never skips a chance to make America look bad. Many more examples in the article, "Russia Goes Viral: How the RT network built a US audience":

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2013/09/how-the-rt-network-b...

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by [deleted] »

Ankaios wrote: post #108
TheFreim wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not familiar with RT, what "propaganda" were they spreading? I've known of "rt.com" for a while, seeing it posted occasionally, and it never was anything that gave me pause (didn't even known it stood for Russia Today until today).

RT is a well-known Russian propaganda operation. The fact that your response to it was "it never was anything that gave me pause" is a sign that you did not detect the propaganda and that it may have been working on you.

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Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by mahkeiro »

rvz wrote: post #45
awb wrote: post #4

Anonymous is supposedly joining the cyber war: https://twitter.com/YourAnonNews/status/1496954233492541444 https://twitter.com/YourAnonOne/status/1496965766435926039 They are claiming responsibility for taking down RT.com and some other Russian sites.

RT.com is still up and running. A DDoS attack is hardly a ‘complex’ attack against Russia and is easily mitigated against these days vs a malware wiper already spreading all over Ukraine. A DDoS is not even remotely considered a ‘hack’. Anonymous is not exactly sophisticated like the ‘Equation Group’ and these sort of DDoS + shodan.io lookups are what script-kiddie jokers do. They have nothing to fight with compared…

Rt is down for me

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by [deleted] »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #111
merlincorey wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> asking hackers and cybersecurity experts to submit an application via Google docs, listing their specialties, such as malware development, and professional references. So it's effectively a free honey pot for Russia to get information on Ukranian cyber security professionals and a free pass to infiltrate them?

Considering the state officials that are publicly speaking about it, no. But it sure is disingenuous using something as low sec like Google docs. At least get people to submit it via GPG or something...

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Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by TheFreim »

Ankaios wrote: post #108
TheFreim wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not familiar with RT, what "propaganda" were they spreading? I've known of "rt.com" for a while, seeing it posted occasionally, and it never was anything that gave me pause (didn't even known it stood for Russia Today until today).

RT is a well-known Russian propaganda operation. The fact that your response to it was "it never was anything that gave me pause" is a sign that you did not detect the propaganda and that it may have been working on you.

> is a sign that you did not detect the propaganda and that it may have been working on you

Could be, or not considering I've never read an article from them and couldn't name a single headline (which is why I asked the question)

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by TheFreim »

jablongo wrote: post #64
TheFreim wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not familiar with RT, what "propaganda" were they spreading? I've known of "rt.com" for a while, seeing it posted occasionally, and it never was anything that gave me pause (didn't even known it stood for Russia Today until today).

Yea it is a sophisticated propaganda operation aimed at western readers. It sometimes even has good reporting but everything is curated to serve the kremlins interests.

> Yea it is a sophisticated propaganda operation aimed at western readers.

Good thing to note, have neve read an article from them and chances are I won't in the future so it will probably not have much direct impact.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by TheFreim »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #112
TheFreim wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not familiar with RT, what "propaganda" were they spreading? I've known of "rt.com" for a while, seeing it posted occasionally, and it never was anything that gave me pause (didn't even known it stood for Russia Today until today).

They're pretty interesting because they have an incentive to be reliable in order for people to trust them. They are also generous with appearance fees so they gets lots of famous Americans on the screen Larry King, Glenn Beck and Ron Paul come to mind. Funny, when googling for examples of Americans appearing on RT a couple of Quora posts came up that may illustrate RT's angle: > Why does RT (Russia Today) claim that…

> they have an incentive to be reliable in order for people to trust them

Classic social engineering trick, gain trust and "cash out" later.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by mahkeiro »

bink wrote: post #102
stickfigure wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's reasonable to assume that for at least the next few months, you have a strange form of "diplomatic immunity" for attacks in Russia. No jury in the US would convict you, even in the unlikely event someone wanted to prosecute (which would be political suicide here). So, have at it.

That's a huge gamble most people aren't willing to accept.

Bur remember that by treaty US and UK (and Russia of course) promised to defend Ukraine in exchange of their nukes. At least if they try to go after you, you can still argue that you were trying to comply to a treaty that both countries have decided to ignore.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by [deleted] »

btheshoe wrote: post #44
awb wrote: post #4

Anonymous is supposedly joining the cyber war: https://twitter.com/YourAnonNews/status/1496954233492541444 https://twitter.com/YourAnonOne/status/1496965766435926039 They are claiming responsibility for taking down RT.com and some other Russian sites.

isn't anonymous just a loose affiliation of people on 4chan though? Kind of strange to claim that the whole collective is doing something.

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