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Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by dschulz »

lucb1e wrote: post #78
dschulz wrote: post #75

Probably I'm just naive but I really don't understand this cyber warfare theater. Why aren't all internet operators in the free world just blackholing all russian ASNs (complete with the other allied bullies) from the internet routing tables? Wouldn't this be enough to avert all the nasty attacks on critical infrastructure?

You'd have to cut literally every cable and satellite connection and radio transmission in and out of the country. With something as geographically distributed as Russia, that sounds very hard to convince every country to convince every operator to... and even then, there's some wireless options.

I don't think it's necessary to physically cut cables. What if critical infrastructure is isolated from savages by just not having routes to/from them? I mean, in a similar way the Team Cymru UTRS[1] works by publishing a list of BGP filters to be imported in routers.

[1] https://team-cymru.com/community-services/utrs/

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by bink »

stickfigure wrote: post #100
bink wrote: post #94

This thread is mostly full of jokes, and that's cool. But more seriously I'm exactly the kind of person I suppose this is meant to appeal to. I've spent the last 2-3 decades breaking into systems. Many of these systems comprise what the US calls "critical infrastructure". That's pipelines, power generation, transmission, distribution. Air traffic control systems. Government agencies. I'm based in the US. The problem…

I think it's reasonable to assume that for at least the next few months, you have a strange form of "diplomatic immunity" for attacks in Russia. No jury in the US would convict you, even in the unlikely event someone wanted to prosecute (which would be political suicide here). So, have at it.

That's a huge gamble most people aren't willing to accept.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by 7thaccount »

weisk wrote: post #68
simne wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank You for answer. What I see now, kremlin for sure have not prepared for long term war campaign, they just have not built hospitals for wounded (thanks to western sat photos, provided by official sources), and this is extremely important, because in real war, 80% wounded die within 24h if have not received medical care in nearest 1-2 hours. And if will be resistance, attacking forces will have very large number o…

You seem like a knowledgeable person. What does Ukraine really have, that Putin so desperately wants? And best of luck to you, dear friends.

There is a Wendover Productions video on YouTube that describes "Russia's Geography Problem" and then this whole thing mostly clicks. It is all geopolitics to them.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by kfichter »

stickfigure wrote: post #100
bink wrote: post #94

This thread is mostly full of jokes, and that's cool. But more seriously I'm exactly the kind of person I suppose this is meant to appeal to. I've spent the last 2-3 decades breaking into systems. Many of these systems comprise what the US calls "critical infrastructure". That's pipelines, power generation, transmission, distribution. Air traffic control systems. Government agencies. I'm based in the US. The problem…

I think it's reasonable to assume that for at least the next few months, you have a strange form of "diplomatic immunity" for attacks in Russia. No jury in the US would convict you, even in the unlikely event someone wanted to prosecute (which would be political suicide here). So, have at it.

Reminder to other readers: don't take legal advice from hn

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by moron4hire »

exdsq wrote: post #82
btheshoe wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

isn't anonymous just a loose affiliation of people on 4chan though? Kind of strange to claim that the whole collective is doing something.

And even then it’s mostly a bunch of kids larping

That's all it ever was

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by awb »

rvz wrote: post #77
lalaland1125 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

rt.com seems down from my perspective DDoSes are simple tools, but they can be extremely effective at stopping Russian propaganda mills.

I just typed it in on many web browsers, tor, VPNs etc and it turns out that RT.com is still up. So it’s mission failed successfully?

It was down earlier today for an hour or more.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by _abox »

dschulz wrote: post #75

Probably I'm just naive but I really don't understand this cyber warfare theater. Why aren't all internet operators in the free world just blackholing all russian ASNs (complete with the other allied bullies) from the internet routing tables? Wouldn't this be enough to avert all the nasty attacks on critical infrastructure?

This won't work at all. They'll just attack from a point of presence inside our borders. Any cyberattack that can be traced to a country is because they want it to be traced (eg to send a message)

It'll be a possible sanction because it will hurt the Russian population and businesses. But it won't avoid any cyberattack.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by Ankaios »

TheFreim wrote: post #59
lalaland1125 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

rt.com seems down from my perspective DDoSes are simple tools, but they can be extremely effective at stopping Russian propaganda mills.

I am not familiar with RT, what "propaganda" were they spreading? I've known of "rt.com" for a while, seeing it posted occasionally, and it never was anything that gave me pause (didn't even known it stood for Russia Today until today).

RT is a well-known Russian propaganda operation. The fact that your response to it was "it never was anything that gave me pause" is a sign that you did not detect the propaganda and that it may have been working on you.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by lurquer »

wolverine876 wrote: post #80
weisk wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem like a knowledgeable person. What does Ukraine really have, that Putin so desperately wants? And best of luck to you, dear friends.

I'm not the person you asked, but the very well-known understanding, going back probably to Napoleon or earlier (among foreign policy experts), is that Ukraine has geopolitics. Geography is far more important to national power than non-experts realize. Without Ukraine's Crimean peninsula, Russia loses sea access to the Black Sea and thus the Mediterranean for their navy (and also for trade), which historically has be…

> Napoleon and the Nazis both crossed through that region on their way to Russia

Hitler yes. Napoleon no. The French neither attacked nor retreated through what is now Ukraine.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by mrits »

bink wrote: post #94

This thread is mostly full of jokes, and that's cool. But more seriously I'm exactly the kind of person I suppose this is meant to appeal to. I've spent the last 2-3 decades breaking into systems. Many of these systems comprise what the US calls "critical infrastructure". That's pipelines, power generation, transmission, distribution. Air traffic control systems. Government agencies. I'm based in the US. The problem…

Maybe he could find you a job afterwards? @DAlperovitch
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