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Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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I'm Ukrainian activist for 10+ years, have been on Maidan, etc, know many other activists. Unfortunately, we have not seen understanding with any government. Looks like, all people who got to government or state organizations, work on classical totalitarian scheme - "for friends all the best, for all others - severity of the law". Mean, system is so much disbalanced, that any government got totalitarian power and doe…

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Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Am I the only one who thinks this is well intentioned but kind of silly? I don’t know a lot about this space, but I don’t know especially how many skills translate from offense to defense. Is this basically just a call for folks to turn in their 0days and access or something? Seems wt least marginally more useful than trying to train up a bunch of script kiddies to fight GRU…

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Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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rt.com seems down from my perspective DDoSes are simple tools, but they can be extremely effective at stopping Russian propaganda mills.

I am not familiar with RT, what "propaganda" were they spreading? I've known of "rt.com" for a while, seeing it posted occasionally, and it never was anything that gave me pause (didn't even known it stood for Russia Today until today).

Russia Today is a state-owned and controlled media company that directly takes content directions from Russia's government.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rosiegray/how-the-truth... has a good overview of how exactly it works.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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rt.com seems down from my perspective DDoSes are simple tools, but they can be extremely effective at stopping Russian propaganda mills.

I am not familiar with RT, what "propaganda" were they spreading? I've known of "rt.com" for a while, seeing it posted occasionally, and it never was anything that gave me pause (didn't even known it stood for Russia Today until today).

Yea it is a sophisticated propaganda operation aimed at western readers. It sometimes even has good reporting but everything is curated to serve the kremlins interests.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Thank You for answer. What I see now, kremlin for sure have not prepared for long term war campaign, they just have not built hospitals for wounded (thanks to western sat photos, provided by official sources), and this is extremely important, because in real war, 80% wounded die within 24h if have not received medical care in nearest 1-2 hours. And if will be resistance, attacking forces will have very large number o…

Thank you for the insight. Godspeed. If you have links to organisations we can support from far away (with money, labour or lobbying), those would be appreciated.

Thank you! I will ask people nearest hours.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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I'm Ukrainian activist for 10+ years, have been on Maidan, etc, know many other activists. Unfortunately, we have not seen understanding with any government. Looks like, all people who got to government or state organizations, work on classical totalitarian scheme - "for friends all the best, for all others - severity of the law". Mean, system is so much disbalanced, that any government got totalitarian power and doe…

Some of the best developers I've worked with are Ukrainians. I've been hiring there for over 10 years with great results.

Thank You for warm words! I'm very pleased.

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> If you really want to help Ukraine, better to contact volunteers-entrepreneurs, who where on Maidan, and who struggle for economic freedoms, and support Ukrainian army as private persons, without government/state. > You could just donate, or you could create some business opportunity, so Ukrainians will make business, export working hours, or export some products to world. This makes sense, but I wonder if this wou…

Thank You for answer. What I see now, kremlin for sure have not prepared for long term war campaign, they just have not built hospitals for wounded (thanks to western sat photos, provided by official sources), and this is extremely important, because in real war, 80% wounded die within 24h if have not received medical care in nearest 1-2 hours. And if will be resistance, attacking forces will have very large number o…

You seem like a knowledgeable person. What does Ukraine really have, that Putin so desperately wants? And best of luck to you, dear friends.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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I'm Ukrainian activist for 10+ years, have been on Maidan, etc, know many other activists. Unfortunately, we have not seen understanding with any government. Looks like, all people who got to government or state organizations, work on classical totalitarian scheme - "for friends all the best, for all others - severity of the law". Mean, system is so much disbalanced, that any government got totalitarian power and doe…

> support Ukrainian army as private persons, without government/state.

How do you hope to defeat Russia without coordinating with the lawful and most powerful institutions in the country? Note also that probably all foreign government assistance, especially the motherlodes of assistance from NATO states, including cyber, will be going through the Ukranian government.

> You could just donate, or you could create some business opportunity

How will creating business opportunities do anything to protect the freedom of the Ukranian people or defeat the Russian invasion? It seems like a major distraction from a crisis.

> any government got totalitarian power and does not account on people

Calling the Ukranian government undemocratic is a leading talking point of Russia and their allies. How do we distinguish what you are saying from them?

All your points seem to reduce support for and divert it from the Ukranian government and their military. Isn't that absurdly dangerous in this moment?

> I'm Ukrainian activist for 10+ years, have been on Maidan, etc, know many other activists.

With due respect, in this atmosephere, how can we take the word of an anonymous person on the Internet? Would you trust such a person? How would you distinguish them?

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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I'm Ukrainian activist for 10+ years, have been on Maidan, etc, know many other activists. Unfortunately, we have not seen understanding with any government. Looks like, all people who got to government or state organizations, work on classical totalitarian scheme - "for friends all the best, for all others - severity of the law". Mean, system is so much disbalanced, that any government got totalitarian power and doe…

This reminds me of a great quote:

"There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect"[1]

1. https://www.bradford-delong.com/2018/12/frank-wilhoit-the-tr...

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