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Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by CRConrad »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #446
CRConrad wrote: post #411

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People always come up with this population-size argument in contexts where it's totally irrelevant[1]. So what if Germany has eight times more residents than Sweden, or Sweden eight times fewer than Germany?!? Everything still works the same, only scaled up or down by a factor of eight: You have eight times more/fewer consumers to supply (with energy, staplers, food, whatever), but you also have eight times more/fewe…

It's relevant, but I'm no expert by how much. Sweden has tons of hydro, Germany has none. Scaling infrastructure is hard af.

How is population size relevant to the occurrence or lack of geographic / geological features?

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by stjohnswarts »

eatonphil wrote: post #370
stjohnswarts wrote: post #363

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If China didn't subsidize N. Korea the country would fall into ruin and they would have a refugee crisis on their hands.

That's still a negative reason though. Profit is a positive reason.

I'm pretty sure on the whole N. Korea is a money sink for China in the forseeable future.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by stjohnswarts »

LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #382
stjohnswarts wrote: post #360

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Why would you buy gas from the country that obviously has goals of invading countries, killing people, and possibly moving into your country next? Seems like paying a bit more from a friendly country is a better idea. Russia aims to takeover Ukraine and end its "western liberalism", kill dissidents, and possibly kill/imprison LGBQT and other non-traditional groups.

I'm wondering how the Ukranian (para)militaries waving swastika-flags feel about LGBQT... And vice versa...

Stop it with the pro-Russian propaganda. Ukraine is a peaceful country. Putin has the wool pulled over Russian's eyes about "Nazis in Ukraine!" . He's a lying piece of shit and every Russian, in their heart, knows that.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by nikolay »

CRConrad wrote: post #452
nikolay wrote: post #332

So, US is happy. I wonder if Germans would be. Germany and all EU countries are US puppets. I really don't know why EU needs US. To me, the one reason I don't like my own homeland, Bulgaria to be in EU (just like more than half of my compatriots don't according to polls) is the dependence on US. We were part of the Soviet Union, so, we replaced one dependence with yet another, even worse, I would say. Being in NATO,…

> We were part of the Soviet Union, so, we replaced one dependence with yet another, even worse, I would say. Bulgaria was part of the Warsaw Pact, not of the Soviet Union. Maybe you should bone up a bit on recent history, before so confidently spouting off on it? Your current views seem woefully unfounded in actual reality.

Sorry, I meant to say the Soviet Bloc.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by oytis »

CRConrad wrote: post #432
oytis wrote: post #319

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Not everyone in Europe is in a comfortable position where they can care about gas prices more than they care about Russian expansion.

> Not everyone in Europe is in a comfortable position where they can care about gas prices more than they care about Russian expansion. OTOH, not everyone in Europe is in a comfortable position where they can care about Russian expansion more than they care about heating their home.

Pretty much everyone actually. What is the worst consequence of not being able to pay for the heating? In the very extreme case, which could affect a tiny minority of the poorest people, you get broke, and have to apply for welfare. Maybe you'll have to use electric heating and/or wear warm clothes inside for a while. That's about it - nothing comparable to what Ukrainians have to endure.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by syki »

dirtyid wrote: post #443
syki wrote: post #442

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I see no amount of evidence will convince you that China is ok with Russia invading Ukraine. Your thesis about China and international norms is clearly false and your beliefs about China’s position is not supported by the facts. My contention that Russia has China’s blessing is correct. It’s ok to admit when you are wrong.

You have only posted articles that support my assertions and contradicted yours. It's ok to believe what you want, despite complete lack of evidence.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/26/china-sees-strategi...

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by CRConrad »

CRConrad wrote: post #454
scotty79 wrote: post #97

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Germany didn't bulit it. It was build by Russia through Gazprom in collaboration with few German companies, that care about their profits not Russian tanks in Ukraine. There's nothing wrong making this enterprise to be on par with other routes. German corporations that collaborated gambled on getting unfair business advantage through geopolitics. They should loose. It doesn't matter they had political support of Germ…

> It was build by Russia through Gazprom in collaboration with few German companies, that care about their profits not Russian tanks in Ukraine. And with the despicable traitor not only to Germany but to Europe and arguably civilisation itself, ex-Chancellor Gerhard Schröder, fronting the whole enterprise.

Thanks for the downvote, whoever that was. Now go downvote Die Zeit: https://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2022-02/gerhard-schroede...

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by CRConrad »

TwoFerMaggie wrote: post #440
CRConrad wrote: post #436

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> (and the “speaking Russian” part is kind of difficult to transfer to China and Taiwan). Isn't the main language in Taiwan the same as in south-east mainland China? (What used to be called Cantonese, but maybe it goes by another name nowadays?)

There are at least two major languages (or dialects, depending on how you define it) in south-east mainland China. Cantonese and Hokkien. Cantonese is mainly spoken in Guangdong (historically known as Canton), and Hokkien mainly Fujian. They are two very different languages. There are a lot of people in Taiwan speaking Hokkien. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantonese [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hokkien

> Cantonese is mainly spoken in Guangdong (historically known as Canton)

Yeah, I thought I'd got that right: The region has been renamed (or, arguably, just had the spelling revised to be more in line with the native pronunciation?).

So why isn't the language now called Guangdongese? This modern PC-induced language revisionism can get pretty darn confusing in its inconsistency.

> There are a lot of people in Taiwan speaking Hokkien.

Which still seems to imply that even more people, i.e. a majority, speak Cantonese, right? I just meant that, since language is often a (sometimes minor, sometimes major) part of how "ethnicity" is defined, China could use an analogous "They even speak the same language!" argument. Not that I'm saying it's a valid argument -- just not logically impossible, as I think was argued or at least implied in some comment(s) above.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by whatshisface »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #463
LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #382

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I'm wondering how the Ukranian (para)militaries waving swastika-flags feel about LGBQT... And vice versa...

Stop it with the pro-Russian propaganda. Ukraine is a peaceful country. Putin has the wool pulled over Russian's eyes about "Nazis in Ukraine!" . He's a lying piece of shit and every Russian, in their heart, knows that.

As with most lies it is 0.0001% truth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

Of course it makes up a minuscule fraction of the Ukrainian national guard:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Guard_of_Ukraine

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by fy20 »

laacz wrote: post #456
ed_balls wrote: post #323

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heat pump and solar. cheaper and less risky.

a) Solar is not applicable to the Northern Europe. It does not generate heat when it's needed the most (winter). b) Heat pump (installation, retrofitting existing heat distribution, if at all possible; largest problems might arise with wall mounted radiators since they much larger temperatures to operate) is very costly. Maintenance and running costs not so much. c) Electricity prices even at the current tarriffs are…

In in Northern Europe and (c) is not true for new housing stock.

I'm building a house and ran the calculations (two years ago, before gas got expensive) for various forms of heating, and solar PV + heat pump came out the cheapest. We have net-metering but still need to pay "transmission fees" (7c/kWh) for electricity we later consume.

I also considered just using gas for heating in the winter, but the connection fees (installation and ongoing network fees) came out to be much more than the cost of the gas we would actually use.

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