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Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place

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Companies should not involve in politics

Should say... I dunno, Alphabet provide un solicited commentary on their take of... Australia's refugee detention centres? Not really. Should a Russian-based company make a statement on their country invading another as the world (of customers) looks on? Probably. Politics is everywhere, avoiding it can sometimes be an unintended statement too. Sometimes you have to state your position or others will state it for you…

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Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place

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Context: JetBrains' founders are Russian. They have offices in Moscow and Saint Petersburg. Free speech isn't really a thing in Russia. To openly condemn the actions of the Russian government could have serious repercussions for them, but they did it anyway. Спаси́бо, JetBrains. - Dylan Beattie

Indeed, a very brave statement, which carries very serious risks. Respect.

Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place

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Context: JetBrains' founders are Russian. They have offices in Moscow and Saint Petersburg. Free speech isn't really a thing in Russia. To openly condemn the actions of the Russian government could have serious repercussions for them, but they did it anyway. Спаси́бо, JetBrains. - Dylan Beattie

Speech is cheap. In the end it is just a PR. I doubt they'll have any serious repercussions because the message is vague on purpose. But everybody in the comments already give them credit for it. Actions/money are all that matter.

Speech is cheap in the West.

JetBrains has a large Russian presence.

Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place

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They have bombarded civilian targets - there are multiple pictures and videos of civilian buildings and infrastructure such as roads being bombed, with civilians dying. That's very war crimey. Furthermore, crimes against peace are a type of war crime.

Well I guess we need to send every US President since Eisenhower to the Hague in chains, then. Don't act like Russia is some sort of unique evil, here. The gallons of blood spilled in collateral damage to innocent civilians by US, US-led, or US-financed operations in countries we have absolutely no business being in can fill swimming pools. Literally anybody writing, posting, tweeting, or writing column-inches about…

I'm not American, and yes, most US presidents and army commanders and CIA pieces of shit should be brought to The Hague for their war crimes.

Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place

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Russia can shut down its operations in St Petersbourg.

I would imagine after this they will shut down all Russian operations. Putin is on war footing and he's not about to allow dissent for much longer.

There are thousands of employees in JetBrains offices in Russia. Looking at Belarusian events around PandaDoc, it takes several months to relocate employees, some resign for personal reasons, others land in jail.

Now that PandaDoc relocated mostly to Kyiv... they have the problem of relocating further on.

Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place

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Context: JetBrains' founders are Russian. They have offices in Moscow and Saint Petersburg. Free speech isn't really a thing in Russia. To openly condemn the actions of the Russian government could have serious repercussions for them, but they did it anyway. Спаси́бо, JetBrains. - Dylan Beattie

yes, people of HN need to realize what it takes for a Russian company to voice narratives not in line with the government (in this case supporting their war enemy) for JetBrains this could mean losing contracts with other (pro-government) Russian companies, house searches for their own employees and executives and targeted “investigation” campaigns they could be declared a “foreign agent” or “undesirable organization…

> for JetBrains this could mean losing contracts with other (pro-government) Russian companies, house searches for their own employees and executives and targeted “investigation” campaigns

This can be true in many countries. Supporting people like Julian Assange, anti-colonial struggles for Kurdistan/Palestine, or opposing your State in any other way can get you in a lot of legal and para-legal trouble. All the more reason to be supportive of people and organizations taking a stand, wherever they are.

Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place

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Context: JetBrains' founders are Russian. They have offices in Moscow and Saint Petersburg. Free speech isn't really a thing in Russia. To openly condemn the actions of the Russian government could have serious repercussions for them, but they did it anyway. Спаси́бо, JetBrains. - Dylan Beattie

When Putin threatens the families of employees of Jetbrains in Russia, they will put spyware in your IDE.

They probably already have done so.

Switch immediately.

Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have bombarded civilian targets - there are multiple pictures and videos of civilian buildings and infrastructure such as roads being bombed, with civilians dying. That's very war crimey. Furthermore, crimes against peace are a type of war crime.

Well I guess we need to send every US President since Eisenhower to the Hague in chains, then. Don't act like Russia is some sort of unique evil, here. The gallons of blood spilled in collateral damage to innocent civilians by US, US-led, or US-financed operations in countries we have absolutely no business being in can fill swimming pools. Literally anybody writing, posting, tweeting, or writing column-inches about…

I find myself possessed of this strange power to disdain the imperial ambitions of both the USA and Russia.
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