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Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by waffle_maniac »

TameAntelope wrote: post #37

Am I the only one who thinks this is well intentioned but kind of silly? I don’t know a lot about this space, but I don’t know especially how many skills translate from offense to defense. Is this basically just a call for folks to turn in their 0days and access or something? Seems wt least marginally more useful than trying to train up a bunch of script kiddies to fight GRU…

Be careful when going outside. A cyber attack might be in progress!

But what actually would be good cyber warfare is hacking Putin’s family. Notoriously private and says his family is off limits and he never talks about them. I’m sure his kids aren’t normal like he claims.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by ricardo81 »

_joel wrote: post #17
nivekastoreth wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s rather straight forward: You first get in touch with Razor and Blade, you can find them DJing at the local night club, and they make a series of calls and the hackers of the world unite around them. This was covered in the 1995 documentary “Hackers”

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Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by HWR_14 »

koolba wrote: post #21
pcwalton wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have to ask, lone wolf behavior is more likely to end up with you in jail than to do anything that helps Ukraine. If you are serious and are a citizen of a signatory to NATO, consider enlisting with your country's cyber force.

What does being a NATO signatory have to do with anything? Ukraine is not a part of NATO and I’m not aware of NATO authorizing any direct military or digital action against Russia.

If you are a member of a NATO signatory, that's associated with a lot of formal cyber rules and leaders who won't look well on cyber activism. I took it as a rule of thumb, not direct cause/effect.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by btheshoe »

awb wrote: post #4

Anonymous is supposedly joining the cyber war: https://twitter.com/YourAnonNews/status/1496954233492541444 https://twitter.com/YourAnonOne/status/1496965766435926039 They are claiming responsibility for taking down RT.com and some other Russian sites.

isn't anonymous just a loose affiliation of people on 4chan though? Kind of strange to claim that the whole collective is doing something.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by rvz »

awb wrote: post #4

Anonymous is supposedly joining the cyber war: https://twitter.com/YourAnonNews/status/1496954233492541444 https://twitter.com/YourAnonOne/status/1496965766435926039 They are claiming responsibility for taking down RT.com and some other Russian sites.

RT.com is still up and running.

A DDoS attack is hardly a ‘complex’ attack against Russia and is easily mitigated against these days vs a malware wiper already spreading all over Ukraine. A DDoS is not even remotely considered a ‘hack’.

Anonymous is not exactly sophisticated like the ‘Equation Group’ and these sort of DDoS + shodan.io lookups are what script-kiddie jokers do. They have nothing to fight with compared to Russia.

Ukraine needs higher calibre cyber security teams to defend itself, not predictable script kiddie DDoSers.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by HWR_14 »

waffle_maniac wrote: post #41
TameAntelope wrote: post #37

Am I the only one who thinks this is well intentioned but kind of silly? I don’t know a lot about this space, but I don’t know especially how many skills translate from offense to defense. Is this basically just a call for folks to turn in their 0days and access or something? Seems wt least marginally more useful than trying to train up a bunch of script kiddies to fight GRU…

Be careful when going outside. A cyber attack might be in progress! But what actually would be good cyber warfare is hacking Putin’s family. Notoriously private and says his family is off limits and he never talks about them. I’m sure his kids aren’t normal like he claims.

John Oliver found his daughters dance/gymnastic performance and aired it a few years ago as part of something. For the daughter of a billionaire dictator, John Oliver made her sound fairly normal.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by giantg2 »

TameAntelope wrote: post #37

Am I the only one who thinks this is well intentioned but kind of silly? I don’t know a lot about this space, but I don’t know especially how many skills translate from offense to defense. Is this basically just a call for folks to turn in their 0days and access or something? Seems wt least marginally more useful than trying to train up a bunch of script kiddies to fight GRU…

Going on the offense can create problems for the aggressor, drawing resources away from their attack.

That said, the law in most places isn't going to allow/support this. It could maybe even interfere with state sponsored operations.

It would be interesting to see a sort of privateer license in this space. If I remember correctly, Russia pretty much doesn't care about people violating cyber laws in Russia so long as the victims are in other countries.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by psyc »

Nursie wrote: post #33
Trasmatta wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where's LulzSec when you need them? If they still have all 7 proxies, then they'd be unstoppable.

Prison? It didn't end well for them IIRC.

It did not. FBI turned Sabu, and he rolled on the rest.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by freedomben »

TameAntelope wrote: post #37

Am I the only one who thinks this is well intentioned but kind of silly? I don’t know a lot about this space, but I don’t know especially how many skills translate from offense to defense. Is this basically just a call for folks to turn in their 0days and access or something? Seems wt least marginally more useful than trying to train up a bunch of script kiddies to fight GRU…

They're not requesting script kiddies, and they're not asking for a bunch of vigilantes. They want applications:

> "Ukrainian cybercommunity! It's time to get involved in the cyber defense of our country," the post read, asking hackers and cybersecurity experts to submit an application via Google docs, listing their specialties, such as malware development, and professional references.

You'd be amazed at how well offensive skills translate to defense. Some of the best blue-teamers are former red-teamers. If you don't have offensive skills, it's very easy to overlook things, especially when it comes to pivoting and exploit chaining.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by simne »

eatbitseveryday wrote: post #32
simne wrote: post #25

I'm Ukrainian activist for 10+ years, have been on Maidan, etc, know many other activists. Unfortunately, we have not seen understanding with any government. Looks like, all people who got to government or state organizations, work on classical totalitarian scheme - "for friends all the best, for all others - severity of the law". Mean, system is so much disbalanced, that any government got totalitarian power and doe…

> If you really want to help Ukraine, better to contact volunteers-entrepreneurs, who where on Maidan, and who struggle for economic freedoms, and support Ukrainian army as private persons, without government/state. > You could just donate, or you could create some business opportunity, so Ukrainians will make business, export working hours, or export some products to world. This makes sense, but I wonder if this wou…

Thank You for answer.

What I see now, kremlin for sure have not prepared for long term war campaign, they just have not built hospitals for wounded (thanks to western sat photos, provided by official sources), and this is extremely important, because in real war, 80% wounded die within 24h if have not received medical care in nearest 1-2 hours. And if will be resistance, attacking forces will have very large number of wounded, so they will be forced to stop attack, because have not enough medicine institutions to heal wounded.

So I think, kremlin accounted for similar to 2014 behavior of Ukrainian soldiers, I mean, in 2014 many Ukrainian soldiers or even officers just drop weapons and surrendered, to avoid bloodshed, because they think it is not war, they think it is provocation.

Now I have some under the hood tools, and with them I see totally different reaction. I know that border guards tried to stop occupants; I know that pilots got very clear instruction "You could fire if you sure see enemy"; I know, in many places, air defense fires on "unknown aircrafts".

And it is important, that count of Russian military forces, prepared before occupation, where close to current Ukrainian army. And technical power of armies are similar now, except of aviation - Ukraine have approx few tens military planes and helicopters, but occupants have more than hundred, same thing with tanks. But Ukraine now have Stingers, Javelins, Bayraktars, and some other modern weapons, so powers similar.

So, I think, in approximately 30 hours, hot phase of war will end, and will continue similar to "ATO", mean struggle on east, but possible in few additional places.

Or if You have good understanding of Israel history, or history of Korea, their hot war phases, usually does not last more than few weeks, some oven few days, and between of those hot phases, where very-very long periods of economy struggle or just information wars.

I have before analyzed Japan success, and I think, they have V-shape economy grows on every big earthquake, because they had to rebuild lot of things from scratch, this is very good for market competitiveness. Ukraine before 2014 does not seen so large examples of market falls, because of this Ukrainian business was not ready for real life, and I think, now its time to change selves.

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