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Los Angeles is spending up to $837k to house a single homeless person

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Re: Los Angeles is spending up to $837k to house a single homeless person

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always fun to see prop13ers turn themselves into victims over the idea of having to sell their 300% ROI property

It's not about selling the house, it's about being forced to move out of a city / neighborhood they've been in for decades, simply because it got more popular and they can't afford a property tax bill several times higher than their largest mortgage payment ever was.

Welcome to the real world, Californians. When you have an asset you get taxed on its value. You have no right to live somewhere indefinitely.

Re: Los Angeles is spending up to $837k to house a single homeless person

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They're spending money to build housing, which will be used to house people without homes. The headline makes it sound like they're paying a million dollars in rent, but in fact this is real estate development.

LA also does spend money just booking rooms at for profit hotels for homeless people vs constructing shelters at cost too, so not everything they are doing is totally productive and efficient.

Re: Los Angeles is spending up to $837k to house a single homeless person

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A conservation think tank issued a report saying Denver spends about $400,000 per year per unhoused person. https://commonsenseinstituteco.org/the-economic-footprint-of... But drilling down finds 10% of that is direct budgeted other other 90% indirect like the cost of police sweeps, mental health, etc.

Still at 40k per, that is certainly more than enough to buy a years worth of rent for an individual in Denver.

Re: Los Angeles is spending up to $837k to house a single homeless person

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Right, and that's your thesis for the world, but America lives under a different thesis, and some individual rights are protected, _even_ if 95% of people disagree.

Who decides what are individual rights? Would they be held up if 95% disagree with it? I mean it might work idk, it would just not be a democracy.

You're right. 95% is a bit much since they'd just amend the constitution and whack me. But it goes up to 66%-1 in the legislature, and I think that would correspond to ~75% in real life, so that's good.

Re: Los Angeles is spending up to $837k to house a single homeless person

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the fact that any housing is getting built is frankly a refreshing turn of events. for people unfamiliar with los angeles, is very much a city of landed gentry. republican legislation designed to curtail rising taxes for elderly residents 40 years ago wound up creating a cloistered elite of land-owners that pay nearly nothing in tax and resist any attempt to create additional housing. They coast on a bubble of six-fi…

Many don't realize that Prop 13 also protected commercial real estate - the Transamerica Pyramid in SF was the poster child for this until it sold recently

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2003-jun-30-me-prope...

Re: Los Angeles is spending up to $837k to house a single homeless person

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In the last 50 years, cities across the country closed down over 1 million SROs ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_room_occupancy ) in an effort to remove slums or just neglect at increasing property value. There are now over half of a million homeless. It's honestly impressive the number is not more. For the 1.2 billion dollars they are spending, if all of the apartments were built to the spec of a roadside mote…

This...is not wrong. Pioneer Square in Seattle used to have a lot of flop houses, part of it being the original "skid row" (logs skid to the saw mill, really muddy and not a desirable place to live). My grandfather in Spokane unwittingly ran a rooming house we cousins called the "empty arms" (inherited from his sister), which housed a lot of people who were just barely getting by. Seattle's flop houses are mostly gon…

Heh I lived in one in Spokane, which was a former brothel. Rent was cheap and the people were OK but it was infested with endless spiders.

Re: Los Angeles is spending up to $837k to house a single homeless person

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I lived for 3 years in a college dorm with no kitchen or bathroom. I even had to have a roommate. Some of the best times in my life. For my senior year I moved into an apartment with my own bathroom and kitchen. It turned out to be a step down.

I’m sure if we offered folks without homes the opportunity attend university and live on campus instead, then some would definitely accept the offer!

The army doesn't offer private baths and kitchens, either, for their troops.

Re: Los Angeles is spending up to $837k to house a single homeless person

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No, we are not talking about a homeless shelter or a temporary stopgap, these kinds of units are the "something better" that people in homeless shelters and other temporary stopgaps are in a holding pattern waiting for. Shipping the homeless elsewhere than California's most expensive cities is way outside the Overton window.

> Shipping the homeless elsewhere than California's most expensive cities is way outside the Overton window. Why? Unless you can show proof that most of the homeless in SF and LA are locals who fell on hard times rather than junkies who moved in for better weather and benefits, shipping them out seems completely reasonable.

> Why?

Morality and optics of forced relocations aside, because it leads to cycles of retaliation by the places they are shipped to.

> Unless you can show proof that most of the homeless in SF and LA are locals who fell on hard times

I don't know about LA, but this has been studied for SF, repeatedly, and they are.

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