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Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by ramesh31 »

bigthymer wrote: post #956
ramesh31 wrote: post #755

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Does anyone have any projections for how this war will go? Is the Ukrainian military powerful? Will this turn into a guerilla war, or will it go the way of total war? Or will it result in total capitulation? The war was over before it began. The Ukrainian government telling people to take up arms is completely suicidal. War in the 21st century begins and ends with air superiority. Nothing else matters at all. Once a…

Do you think Stinger missiles will make a difference?

>Do you think Stinger missiles will make a difference?

Not enough to deny the airspace. And they are useless against high altitude bombers/attackers. But the real threat is not so much getting bombed from the air, but the fact the Russia will be able to move and deploy their artillery/MLRS completely at will due to air superiority. No doubt we will see cities flattened if prolonged urban fighting drags out.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by hogrider »

Invictus0 wrote: post #610
achenet wrote: post #602

Earlier quoted context omitted.

so the Russian people aren't entirely enthusiastic about this. Maybe they'll have another revolution.

Who would be enthusiastic about a 45% drop in the local currency

There can be huge gains to be had, for example if the oligarchs all have all their wealth in foreign currency or large debt in the national currency.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by landemva »

denofgen wrote: post #106
dealforager wrote: post #8

I've worked at tech companies that despise helping the US military. Please understand that the world is complex and although all superpowers have done terrible things, helping the US is the only way our children will live in a peaceful world. This isn't about democrats or republicans, the future of humanity will be decided in the next decade.

What you're witnessing right now are the deathroes of the dictatorships like Russia and China with its aging leaderships. These dictatorships know that their time is limited; the democratic countries are getting stronger and more united. China, the one dictatorship that is supporting all the other dictatorships like Russia or Iran, is going into the final stages of debt/demographic/economic collapse. This is a pivota…

' the democratic countries are getting stronger and more united. '

I see no evidence for this statement in western Europe countries. EU negative interest rates are an indicator of failure not success.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by [deleted] »

CogitoCogito wrote: post #927
ifokiedoke wrote: post #911

There's some real vitriol here and comments bordering on being open discriminatory attacks ("Russia is a wasteland of civilization and we should just nuke them", "stop drinking Vodka, Sergei"). I hope that folks remember that the state isn't the Russian citizenry, and even if there is a minority support for this in the country it doesn't represent the people... _especially_ when the leader is a murderous autocrat. Th…

I feel bad for the innocent Russians receiving unwarranted vitriol, but I feel much worse for the innocent Ukrainians currently being killed.

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Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by hogrider »

efitz wrote: post #662

The globalists have been telling me for years that we are post-national, that borders are obsolete, etc. We have seen mass migration from the Middle East to Europe, and from central and South America to the US, and we’ve been told that this is good. Now I’m supposed to actually care about a Westphalian nation state? I don’t get it.

Wow, I mean pushing for immigration never meant abandoning the nation state way to kill a strawman.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by hogrider »

jeisc wrote: post #456
awb wrote: post #428

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not so long ago they tested disconnecting the entire country from the Internet.

perhaps the UN will kick Russia off the security council in the UN ?

Having balance there might be single nost effective thibg preventing WWIII...

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Post by antifa »

jmkni wrote: post #499
cambaceres wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The west can't do anything to stop China from incorporating Taiwan. The only thing stopping China is that they are not fully prepared yet, they will be in a few years however.

Stupid question here but why will it take China years to prepare? Taiwan is a relatively small Island, surely China is more than capable already?

Probably because if they're not ready, the United States may take military action or economic retailion. Probably they're playing it extra safe and would rather not put their bigger long term goals at any unnecessary risk.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by abc789654567 »

VoodooJuJu wrote: post #668

What is the endgame here? Russia is outclassed by NATO both economically and militarily. If NATO intervenes economically, Russia will lose much. If NATO intervenes militarily, Russia will lose much (but at great cost to NATO). The risk of NATO intervention is high, right? Russia understood this before invading, right? So it seems Russia is accepting a high risk of loss. But it doesn't make sense that a nation as soph…

>Russia is outclassed by NATO both economically and militarily.

Especially now, after NATO's quick and easy victory in Afghanistan it's clearly seen that Russia is far behind NATO militarily. Putin is just stupid and suicidal.

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Post by hansoolo »

simonh wrote: post #892

A quarter of the EU's grain imports come from Ukraine, and they're a big supplier to Turkey and the rest of the Middle East and Africa. Germany also depends on Russian gas. None of that matters though, Putin is at war with us. We should wake up and go to war with him back, something we've avoided. Wars are costly, but this one doesn't have to cost lives. NATO isn't going to send troops into Ukraine, but we should eco…

I so much agree with you!

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Post by tremon »

dmichulke wrote: post #648
uejfiweun wrote: post #139

Does anyone have any projections for how this war will go? Is the Ukrainian military powerful? Will this turn into a guerilla war, or will it go the way of total war? Or will it result in total capitulation? And another key question. What will Western governments actually do? What if the war gets really bad? Does the West actually have the balls to put real, biting sanctions on the regime? And will this crash the eco…

Incentives are: - Russia will want to make this war as short as possible. They have their objectives (occupy Donezk and Luhansk + some more, destroy the offensive power of the Ukranian army and destroy the infrastructure needed for reinforcements ) and then declare the thing a success. - The US wants it to go on as long as possible, so they will indirectly intervene by financing and supporting any insurgents.

Those are the stated objectives only. If they were the true objectives, why are most of Russia's troops in Kyiv?
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