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As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place
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Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place
#32Companies should not involve in politics
I actually agree. (I say this as a person who is 100% against this invasion). However the circumstances is that the IntelliJ founders are Russian, and it’s important to point out that it is not the will of the Russian people to invade Ukraine. It is Putin.
It is the will of _some_ of the Russian people. It has to be. It's people doing the invading. If no Russian wanted to invade Ukraine, there would be nobody in uniform invading Ukraine.
Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Kind of off topic, but Russia hasn't comitted a war crime. They've committed an act of war. Not really the same thing.
They have bombarded civilian targets - there are multiple pictures and videos of civilian buildings and infrastructure such as roads being bombed, with civilians dying. That's very war crimey. Furthermore, crimes against peace are a type of war crime.
There's a long road to calling that a war crime. Largely what has to be shown is that they meant to target civilians and that there is absolutely no case in which they're targeting Ukrainian forces.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime
I suspect you're probably right, that they did so intentionally, but using the right words matters.
Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place
#34Context: JetBrains' founders are Russian. They have offices in Moscow and Saint Petersburg. Free speech isn't really a thing in Russia. To openly condemn the actions of the Russian government could have serious repercussions for them, but they did it anyway. Спаси́бо, JetBrains. - Dylan Beattie
It's going to be increasingly difficult to do business there over the coming few years. I can't see this situation becoming easier any time soon. What steps can founders in Russia seek to reduce the risks that they're facing?
In terms of business risks, I believe Jetbrains are based in Czechia, so while there is risk for their founders, I'm not sure there's any business risk (whether Russian retribution or international sanctions) for JetBrains itself.
Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place
#35Context: JetBrains' founders are Russian. They have offices in Moscow and Saint Petersburg. Free speech isn't really a thing in Russia. To openly condemn the actions of the Russian government could have serious repercussions for them, but they did it anyway. Спаси́бо, JetBrains. - Dylan Beattie
Using that logic, we don't have free speech in the US either. Ask the Dixie Chicks, phil donahue, etc. > To openly condemn the actions of the Russian government could have serious repercussions for them, but they did it anyway. Considering most of jetbrains business is in the West, to support the russian government would have had serious repercussions. Condemning the russian government is actually a smart business de…
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Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Kind of off topic, but Russia hasn't comitted a war crime. They've committed an act of war. Not really the same thing.
They have bombarded civilian targets - there are multiple pictures and videos of civilian buildings and infrastructure such as roads being bombed, with civilians dying. That's very war crimey. Furthermore, crimes against peace are a type of war crime.
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Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place
#37Companies should not involve in politics
Companies make weapons, or tools to make weapons, even if not intended. An IDE could be used to develop a fighter plane control sw.
Companies pay taxes that are used to also buy weapons that kill people.
Everyone should be involved in politics, even companies.
Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place
#38Context: JetBrains' founders are Russian. They have offices in Moscow and Saint Petersburg. Free speech isn't really a thing in Russia. To openly condemn the actions of the Russian government could have serious repercussions for them, but they did it anyway. Спаси́бо, JetBrains. - Dylan Beattie
Using that logic, we don't have free speech in the US either. Ask the Dixie Chicks, phil donahue, etc. > To openly condemn the actions of the Russian government could have serious repercussions for them, but they did it anyway. Considering most of jetbrains business is in the West, to support the russian government would have had serious repercussions. Condemning the russian government is actually a smart business de…
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Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place
#39Context: JetBrains' founders are Russian. They have offices in Moscow and Saint Petersburg. Free speech isn't really a thing in Russia. To openly condemn the actions of the Russian government could have serious repercussions for them, but they did it anyway. Спаси́бо, JetBrains. - Dylan Beattie
yes, people of HN need to realize what it takes for a Russian company to voice narratives not in line with the government (in this case supporting their war enemy)
for JetBrains this could mean losing contracts with other (pro-government) Russian companies, house searches for their own employees and executives and targeted “investigation” campaigns
they could be declared a “foreign agent” or “undesirable organization” which will make business impossible
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_foreign_agent_law
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_undesirable_organiza...
for Russian government “a friend of my enemy is my enemy”
Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place
#40Context: JetBrains' founders are Russian. They have offices in Moscow and Saint Petersburg. Free speech isn't really a thing in Russia. To openly condemn the actions of the Russian government could have serious repercussions for them, but they did it anyway. Спаси́бо, JetBrains. - Dylan Beattie
Using that logic, we don't have free speech in the US either. Ask the Dixie Chicks, phil donahue, etc. > To openly condemn the actions of the Russian government could have serious repercussions for them, but they did it anyway. Considering most of jetbrains business is in the West, to support the russian government would have had serious repercussions. Condemning the russian government is actually a smart business de…
The dixie chicks were never poisoned, imprisoned, and tortured.