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I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by frou_dh »

ary wrote: post #20

Contrast the TextMate situation to that of Sublime Text. Jon Skinner has done an amazing job of shipping something compelling early, updating it often, developing out in the open and giving his customers a good reason to buy the product even though it's still in beta . Allan Odgaard has made promises as to the quality and ship date of his product, and that's about it (to be fair, there have been 1.x updates). At this…

TextMate 2 seems to be limping over the finish line while Sublime Text 2 is already getting in to its stride for the next race.

I think Sublime deserves to take the crown, but a little more polish specific to the Mac version (behaviours, icon) wouldn't hurt.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by kenjackson »

calebmpeterson wrote: post #7
burgerbrain wrote: post #4

Paying for a text editor . Boggles the mind.

I've never used it; is it really /just/ a text editor? Edit: to clarify, my use of "just" wasn't meant to be dismissive or diminutive in any way...

How does it compare to Notepad++?

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by Shebanator »

vtail wrote: post #40
craftsman wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's depressing. I can use emacs (others would give different examples) for free and I can use it in my daily work quite efficiently. So given that reality, I have a hard time paying for an editor, even if it is a key tool of my trade.

What I was trying to say is that every tool should be evaluated using 'productivity gain vs cost' framework. It may well be that for some people productivity gains of TextMate vs emacs/vim/other editor are small and therefore paying any price for TextMate is unreasonable, since the alternatives are free. But in a case where TextMate does yield to substantial productivity gain, "$60 is too much" is a wrong mental mode…

Couldn't agree more. The fact that so few developers are willing to pay for good tools is why we end up with tools like Eclipse.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by teaspoon »

phillmv wrote: post #60
vtail wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very likely that the original promise ("upgrade to version 2.0 will be completely free") was a huge factor in 2.0 shipping delay: Allan would need to invest a lot of effort to ship the new version to get only marginal return, as TextMate penetration of the relevant market was already high at the time the promise was made. Charging for 2.0 would seem like a breach of contract for people who only bought TextMate 1…

I can't believe there are so many cheapskates in here. It's $60! WHO CARES! It's a tool you presumably use every single hour of your programming life . I refuse to accept that you feel personally violated over an idiot promise the author made six years ago. Are people really saying that if the dude came out and said, "Hey guys, it's done but… if I keep my original promise, I literally won't be able to afford the band…

You're making the same faulty assumption that Marco does: that everyone who bought TextMate is a fellow software developer living in a wealthy nation. Many of the "cheapskates in here" are happy to pay twice, but recognize that it's a privilege to be able to do so.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by viraptor »

phillmv wrote: post #60
vtail wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very likely that the original promise ("upgrade to version 2.0 will be completely free") was a huge factor in 2.0 shipping delay: Allan would need to invest a lot of effort to ship the new version to get only marginal return, as TextMate penetration of the relevant market was already high at the time the promise was made. Charging for 2.0 would seem like a breach of contract for people who only bought TextMate 1…

I can't believe there are so many cheapskates in here. It's $60! WHO CARES! It's a tool you presumably use every single hour of your programming life . I refuse to accept that you feel personally violated over an idiot promise the author made six years ago. Are people really saying that if the dude came out and said, "Hey guys, it's done but… if I keep my original promise, I literally won't be able to afford the band…

He'd know it's not worth finishing before he made it to 2.0. People effectively knew they are paying for both versions, so what's the problem really? $60 is not free - some would spend it, some wouldn't.

Why do you think you know better what other people want or don't want to do?

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by phillmv »

teaspoon wrote: post #65
phillmv wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't believe there are so many cheapskates in here. It's $60! WHO CARES! It's a tool you presumably use every single hour of your programming life . I refuse to accept that you feel personally violated over an idiot promise the author made six years ago. Are people really saying that if the dude came out and said, "Hey guys, it's done but… if I keep my original promise, I literally won't be able to afford the band…

You're making the same faulty assumption that Marco does: that everyone who bought TextMate is a fellow software developer living in a wealthy nation. Many of the "cheapskates in here" are happy to pay twice, but recognize that it's a privilege to be able to do so.

Bro, c'mon now. I hate using this argument, but if you can afford a macbook you can definitely pony up $60 for your main development tool. Dude's running a business, not a charity.

Shit, I use vim. If you're so screwed for cash there are a couple of first class alternatives.

EDIT: I use a macbook too. I think it's a great dev platform. It only represents about 5% of my yearly income, though. I doubt I'd be using it if it were costing me 20% of my yearly income.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by derefr »

alttag wrote: post #16
gecko wrote: post #13

I have a lot of trouble understanding this mentality. I totally get paying when you don't have to in order to support fellow developers. I've got a nice collection of apps on my phone and desktop, all purchased, that I've acquired over the years to support my friends' development efforts. So if Marco wants to help out Macromates, that's fine. More power to him. But I don't understand this mantra of, "We'll forgive yo…

> I have a lot of trouble understanding this mentality. Like, say, tipping at a nice restaurant. You may not like the food, but it seems others did, and they want to demonstrate that to the chef.

Then here's an idea that may make everybody here happy: the price for the software new is $60. The price for the software with a code from the previous edition is what you want. You can put in $60, or $0, or $256. How 'bout that?

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by desireco42 »

Seriously people just use Sublime Text if you can't figure out Vim (I use both). Author is super responsive, cranks out really awesome features every week, totally someone who is worth throwing money at.

And both of them are cross-platform ie. Linux, Mac, Win, you rule them all.

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