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Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack
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#762What is the endgame here? Russia is outclassed by NATO both economically and militarily. If NATO intervenes economically, Russia will lose much. If NATO intervenes militarily, Russia will lose much (but at great cost to NATO). The risk of NATO intervention is high, right? Russia understood this before invading, right? So it seems Russia is accepting a high risk of loss. But it doesn't make sense that a nation as soph…
It's not that easy... take a read of this for example https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2022/02/23/dmitri-al...
bypass paywall https://archive.is/xDqsY
Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack
#763https://liveuamap.com/ - Probably the best source for live coverage
They need to buy more CPUs
Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack
#764Earlier quoted context omitted.
Russia has thousands of nuclear missiles. This makes them immune to NATO invasion.
It's an horrific idea, but what if Russia does not stop after invading Ukraine? What if they aim to "liberate" Moldavia, Bulgaria, Serbia and encircling Romania? After all, Putin told 2 days ago he wants NATO out of Romania and Bulgaria: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/01/21/get-out-of-romania...
My assumption is that they will continue the propaganda campaign they've been doing for at least ten years now; they fuel right-wing political parties that have an insular approach, "eurosceptics", an "own people / own country first" mindset.
look at the US: Trump is Putin's buddy, and he pushed the 'America First' tagline.
Look at the UK, they broke away from the EU.
Look at the eastern countries, Poland and Hungary; they have right-leaning governments that broke the rule of law and the separation of legislative branches, which caused them to get sanctioned by the EU, which fuels anti-EU sentiments. And in eastern Europe, anti-EU is pretty much equivalent to pro-Russia.
I haven't heard about it myself, but I'm sure anti-NATO sentiments will increase as well. It's only a matter of time before they get people to leave NATO. Especially if NATO does not come to the defense of a NATO country, they will lose their trustworthiness then.
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#766Earlier quoted context omitted.
From what I heard recently, Russia has two benefits: 1. Tactical - chokepoints are a major element of military tactics, and I guess there's a spot that leaves Russia completely defenseless with wide-open spaces if it doesn't own Poland and Ukraine. 2. Wheat - apparently, Russia owns quite a bit of the market, and Ukraine would carry another minority. With that in mind, I see this entire thing as a coercive and brutal…
I'm sick of people crying for the "defenselessness" of nuke-filled Russia while they're the ones threatening and invading everyone.
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>Does anyone have any projections for how this war will go? Is the Ukrainian military powerful? Will this turn into a guerilla war, or will it go the way of total war? Or will it result in total capitulation? The war was over before it began. The Ukrainian government telling people to take up arms is completely suicidal. War in the 21st century begins and ends with air superiority. Nothing else matters at all. Once a…
The US/NATO/UN should establish a no-fly zone over the country (well, the UN is out because Russia has permanent veto power).
>The US/NATO/UN should establish a no-fly zone over the country (well, the UN is out because Russia has permanent veto power).
If this were Bosnia or Libya, we would. But the reality is that we are now playing chicken with a lunatic that has his finger on the worlds largest arsenal of nuclear ICBMs.
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#768Earlier quoted context omitted.
Russia has thousands of nuclear missiles. This makes them immune to NATO invasion.
It's an horrific idea, but what if Russia does not stop after invading Ukraine? What if they aim to "liberate" Moldavia, Bulgaria, Serbia and encircling Romania? After all, Putin told 2 days ago he wants NATO out of Romania and Bulgaria: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/01/21/get-out-of-romania...
Russia is most likely incapable of carrying any sustained conflict as far as Serbia, Bulgaria, or Romania, particularly when the last 2 are NATO members. They can cause disruption in other ways but no effective open conflict.
But Russia doesn't need to fight those countries. They are hundreds of kilometers away from the Russian border. Ukraine on the other hand is hundreds of meters away. Having Ukraine in NATO or in the EU is a threat to Russia and its leadership today. So Russia will look to poison Ukraine for these 2 organizations and make it an unattractive member.
When EU got too close in 2013-2014 Russia responded in exactly the same way. Both the US and Russia have reacted in the same manner when the enemy tried to reach their borders in any way (via Cuba or via Ukraine). So in 2022 pursuing any relationship particularly between NATO and Ukraine could not have had any other result. It is absolutely inconceivable that this was unexpected given the obviousness, so it's a safe assumption that the goal is to keep Russia fighting and draining the little they have left, with Ukraine paying the (biggest) price. "Buffer" countries always do.
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#769> "To anyone who would consider interfering from the outside: if you do, you will face consequences greater than any of you have faced in history. All relevant decisions have been taken. I hope you hear me."
It’s tantamount to appeasement to let threats like this influence any decisions
I agree, though what's the alternative to appeasing a nuclear power? Sanctions I guess?
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