The Curious Life and Mind-Altering Death of Justin Clark
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#2>New York City medical examiner determined recently that his heart gave out from a fatal combination of ketamine, oxycodone, and 3 HO-PCP, a bespoke hallucinogen.
Re: The Curious Life and Mind-Altering Death of Justin Clark
#3>New York City medical examiner determined recently that his heart gave out from a fatal combination of ketamine, oxycodone, and 3 HO-PCP, a bespoke hallucinogen.
I think its a bit disingenuous to call the PCP analogs "hallucinogens"
They're NMDA antagonists primarily, the same primary mechanism as ketamine. They're dissociatives
Re: The Curious Life and Mind-Altering Death of Justin Clark
#4>New York City medical examiner determined recently that his heart gave out from a fatal combination of ketamine, oxycodone, and 3 HO-PCP, a bespoke hallucinogen.
I think its a bit disingenuous to call the PCP analogs "hallucinogens" They're NMDA antagonists primarily, the same primary mechanism as ketamine. They're dissociatives
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#5>New York City medical examiner determined recently that his heart gave out from a fatal combination of ketamine, oxycodone, and 3 HO-PCP, a bespoke hallucinogen.
I think its a bit disingenuous to call the PCP analogs "hallucinogens" They're NMDA antagonists primarily, the same primary mechanism as ketamine. They're dissociatives
Its more akin to taking DXM than mushrooms or something more visual
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#6Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think its a bit disingenuous to call the PCP analogs "hallucinogens" They're NMDA antagonists primarily, the same primary mechanism as ketamine. They're dissociatives
Its more akin to taking DXM than mushrooms or something more visual
Yes, I'm aware. I would also not call dxm a hallucinogen. It only produces hallucinations at pretty high doses, the hallucinations are secondary to the dissociative state.
Re: The Curious Life and Mind-Altering Death of Justin Clark
#7>New York City medical examiner determined recently that his heart gave out from a fatal combination of ketamine, oxycodone, and 3 HO-PCP, a bespoke hallucinogen.
I think its a bit disingenuous to call the PCP analogs "hallucinogens" They're NMDA antagonists primarily, the same primary mechanism as ketamine. They're dissociatives
That's a strange technicality to get hung up on. "Hallucinogens" are perhaps a broad class of psychotropic drugs, of which dissociative anesthetics are a part. A laptop is still a computer.
From Wikipedia's definition: "A hallucinogen is a psychoactive agent that often or ordinarily causes hallucinations, perceptual anomalies, and other substantial subjective changes in thought, emotion, and consciousness that are not typically experienced to such degrees with other drug classifications."
The traditional dissociatives definitely would classify as changing your thoughts and consciousness.
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#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
Its more akin to taking DXM than mushrooms or something more visual
Yes, I'm aware. I would also not call dxm a hallucinogen. It only produces hallucinations at pretty high doses, the hallucinations are secondary to the dissociative state.
Hallucinogens is a category that encompasses more than just chemicals that produce visual and auditory aberrations.
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#9This is a fascinating and sad read.
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#10“It’s rare to become addicted to esoteric hallucinogens. But it’s not impossible.”
I think it’s extremely difficult to become physiologically addicted to most hallucinogens. They don’t induce the severe, profound physical addiction that things like meth or opiates bring.
But as someone who has, I dunno, perhaps dabbled…I can understand how the desire to find those alternate states of mental being, especially for someone who never really found their place in the world, could be very habit-forming.
“Months of testing went by before the New York City medical examiner determined recently that his heart gave out from a fatal combination of ketamine, oxycodone, and 3 HO-PCP, a bespoke hallucinogen.”
Though I think it would be a stretch to really blame the hallucinogens and the dissociatives here, versus the opiate. Forrest for the trees.