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Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by enkid »

amai wrote: post #490
ycombinete wrote: post #114

In his 1997 book The Grand Chessboard Zbigniew Brzezinski did say that if Europe went to war again it would start in Ukraine. Some choice quotes: “Ukraine, a new and important space on the Eurasian chessboard, is a geopolitical pivot because its very existence as an independent country helps to transform Russia. Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire.” “However, if Moscow regains control over Ukraine,…

> “Ukraine, a new and important space on the Eurasian chessboard, is a geopolitical pivot because its very existence as an independent country helps to transform Russia. Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire.” He claims that without any proof. This maybe would have been true in the 19th century given the technologies for war and power at that time. But we have the 21st century now. Why should the Ukr…

This is all assuming you share an underlying rational with the leader of Russia, which you don't. Putin obviously doesn't care about having a good economy or making life better for the average Russian. He cares about making himself look strong and maintaining power, and showing strength. In the long run Russia is going to hurt over this, but that's not what Putin cares about.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by op00to »

nickpp wrote: post #92
Gatsky wrote: post #75

> "To anyone who would consider interfering from the outside: if you do, you will face consequences greater than any of you have faced in history. All relevant decisions have been taken. I hope you hear me."

The speech of a bully, of an aggressor. The only correct reply is a direct retaliatory attack on his offensive positions.

Haven’t you seen “war games”? Listen to Joshua.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by xyst »

NATO needs to stop the bleeding. It's silly to think Ukraine is where it will stop.

Stop pussyfooting with the sanctions and fully block trade with Russia. Might need to consider sanctions with China as well...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-24/china-ref...

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by codesnik »

amai wrote: post #490
ycombinete wrote: post #114

In his 1997 book The Grand Chessboard Zbigniew Brzezinski did say that if Europe went to war again it would start in Ukraine. Some choice quotes: “Ukraine, a new and important space on the Eurasian chessboard, is a geopolitical pivot because its very existence as an independent country helps to transform Russia. Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire.” “However, if Moscow regains control over Ukraine,…

> “Ukraine, a new and important space on the Eurasian chessboard, is a geopolitical pivot because its very existence as an independent country helps to transform Russia. Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire.” He claims that without any proof. This maybe would have been true in the 19th century given the technologies for war and power at that time. But we have the 21st century now. Why should the Ukr…

sadly, Putin lives in 19th century and wants everyone join him there

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by vekker »

xyst wrote: post #504

NATO needs to stop the bleeding. It's silly to think Ukraine is where it will stop. Stop pussyfooting with the sanctions and fully block trade with Russia. Might need to consider sanctions with China as well... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-24/china-ref...

If they reacted too forcefully, that could mean retaliation by Putin and escalation of the conflict into WW3. Do we really want that? As a Belgian citizen, I'd rather not wake up to artillery fire in Brussels...

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by petre »

le-mark wrote: post #500

As a US Army 19k (m1a1 crewman) stationed in Germany in the 80’s and 90’s, this is the fight we trained for incessantly. A horde of then soviet armor; we had A10s, Apaches, javelins, all that built just for this. No sane person courts war, but as old tanker I’m kinda sad it went to the Ukrainians, and not us.

Thank you for your service in Europe!

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by frenchman99 »

vekker wrote: post #507
xyst wrote: post #504

NATO needs to stop the bleeding. It's silly to think Ukraine is where it will stop. Stop pussyfooting with the sanctions and fully block trade with Russia. Might need to consider sanctions with China as well... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-24/china-ref...

If they reacted too forcefully, that could mean retaliation by Putin and escalation of the conflict into WW3. Do we really want that? As a Belgian citizen, I'd rather not wake up to artillery fire in Brussels...

Sometimes, trying to be nice at first turns into deadly encounters. Sometimes, employing force early means not having to employ even more force later on. Difficult balance I guess.
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