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Re: An enhancement request I submitted to Bugzilla 15 years ago was just closed

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

mrjin wrote: post #35

Thought M$ was the worst. In VisualStudio 2008 they introduced a really annoying bug that in environments that had non-English IMEs installed, when there was a compilation error, the default IME would be invoked, and of course, when you tried to fix the error, what you typed would make nonsense to the compiler. Contacted M$, they promised thatit would be fixed in VS2008 SP1. But the fact was they never made it until…

Logging issues with a big company like Microsoft or Adobe feels like talking to a brick wall. I don't bother wasting my time on it anymore.

Re: An enhancement request I submitted to Bugzilla 15 years ago was just closed

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Post by antihero »

krageon wrote: post #66
juloo wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been using Vimium since I use firefox (for around 3 years). It's annoying that Vimium can no longer control the browser UI and is limited on some pages (New Tab, mozilla.org) but this is necessary for security.

> this is necessary for security Why? You can't read the source of this addon and evaluate whether or not it should have this access? This should be a permission that you can grant to an addon, we're not children that must at every juncture be managed so they don't burn their fingers.

Can you evaluate the source at every silent update?

Re: An enhancement request I submitted to Bugzilla 15 years ago was just closed

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Post by bocytron »

pjc50 wrote: post #65

I have a comment on a feature request that's 22 years old and still open: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57342 Less relevant now, as fewer sites show files inline.

A commenter said "Yes, WONTFIX and INVALID seem a bit much. We'll just keep it in the database for eons."

I wonder how they knew how right they were.

Re: An enhancement request I submitted to Bugzilla 15 years ago was just closed

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Post by Angostura »

krageon wrote: post #63
TBurette wrote: post #53

I remember that the introduction of the new WebExtension API to replace the existing extension system was heavily criticized. The old system gave extensions deep access to the browser and the new extension API (copied over from the Chrome browser) was seen as a limiting dumbing down. It was a painful transition but very much needed. Now extensions don't clash with one another. The browser code can be modified more fr…

> but very much needed We've never recovered from there. Addon functionality is strictly worse, and nothing that was gained is something I feel is a net positive in my life. It's nice that the engineers feel better, but as a user it was absolutely a bad choice that was never recovered from. Honestly, for folks creating a product this attitude is unacceptable.

> Addon functionality is strictly worse

Security and convenience are often at odds. Imagine how much "better" things would be if we didn't have any security requirements.

Re: An enhancement request I submitted to Bugzilla 15 years ago was just closed

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Post by throwawaylinux »

stkdump wrote: post #55
TBurette wrote: post #53

I remember that the introduction of the new WebExtension API to replace the existing extension system was heavily criticized. The old system gave extensions deep access to the browser and the new extension API (copied over from the Chrome browser) was seen as a limiting dumbing down. It was a painful transition but very much needed. Now extensions don't clash with one another. The browser code can be modified more fr…

Yes. It's a shame that the firefox user base is so easy to outrage. Same with the more recent change ragrding tabs. I am using firefox for a very long time now, and I just don't see that firefox is massively going downhill so far, like many people seem to suggest. Of course I am bummed out that certain features could not be retained (such as installable PWAs on desktop). But these are just the realities of the fact t…

> Yes. It's a shame that the firefox user base is so easy to outrage.

Firefox's user base was a third of all internet users a little over 10 years ago. Now it's as little as 5%.

The "the users are wrong" attitude might not have been the main cause of the decline but it has been a real factor, IMO.

> Same with the more recent change ragrding tabs. I am using firefox for a very long time now, and I just don't see that firefox is massively going downhill so far, like many people seem to suggest. Of course I am bummed out that certain features could not be retained (such as installable PWAs on desktop). But these are just the realities of the fact that it is hard to compete with google.

In Firefox's heyday when they were a scrappy underdog they took on King Kong on its home turf (the Windows desktop) and won (or at least took a huge chunk of market share). The idea that what has now become a big rich company that makes nearly half a billion dollars a year from their browser somehow doesn't have the resources to make that browser competitive is hard to believe.

Re: An enhancement request I submitted to Bugzilla 15 years ago was just closed

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Post by ayushnix »

qwertox wrote: post #59
TBurette wrote: post #53

I remember that the introduction of the new WebExtension API to replace the existing extension system was heavily criticized. The old system gave extensions deep access to the browser and the new extension API (copied over from the Chrome browser) was seen as a limiting dumbing down. It was a painful transition but very much needed. Now extensions don't clash with one another. The browser code can be modified more fr…

But still, the inability to modify the UI is a major drawback. I used to rely on TabMixPlus to have multiple rows of tabs even the ability to mouse-wheel scroll them so get access to more rows and other things like lock them with a MMB press. I often have so many tabs open that now I'm not able to read the title and am forced to drag them off to create a new window in order to get a new row of tabs. There was also an…

Maybe vertical tabs would work for you? If you want something simple and fast, Tab Center Reborn is nice. If you want something more with more features, Tree Style Tabs is good enough but it is somewhat slow and and hard to configure.

Re: An enhancement request I submitted to Bugzilla 15 years ago was just closed

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Post by whodev »

This reminds me of a GCP issue that was opened in 2011 for users not being able to remove themselves from projects. It affects me still, I got an invite from a friend for a little hobby project he was working and he lost access to his Google and now I can't remove it from my GCP.

https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/35889152?pli=1

Re: An enhancement request I submitted to Bugzilla 15 years ago was just closed

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Post by saurik »

antihero wrote: post #72
krageon wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> this is necessary for security Why? You can't read the source of this addon and evaluate whether or not it should have this access? This should be a permission that you can grant to an addon, we're not children that must at every juncture be managed so they don't burn their fingers.

Can you evaluate the source at every silent update?

Then maybe updates shouldn't be "silent" and it should be easier to install a zeitgeist-approved old version.

Re: An enhancement request I submitted to Bugzilla 15 years ago was just closed

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Post by saurik »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #68
krageon wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> this is necessary for security Why? You can't read the source of this addon and evaluate whether or not it should have this access? This should be a permission that you can grant to an addon, we're not children that must at every juncture be managed so they don't burn their fingers.

Some browser users are literally children.

Clearly then, all tools must be designed to only support the least common denominator.

Re: An enhancement request I submitted to Bugzilla 15 years ago was just closed

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Post by wartijn_ »

willbudd wrote: post #70
shp0ngle wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No activity for 15 minutes. Stalebot closed this issue.

Upvote me if you absolutely detest stalebot. Closing issues after a while if the reporting user fails to follow up on a request for additional information can be useful. But more often than not these stalebots kick in because the maintainer(s) never chimed in. Don't use a bot that can't distinguish between those two cases unless your only aim is to wage war on your users and sweep everything inconvenient under the ru…

> Upvote me if you absolutely detest stalebot.

What good would that do? Seems to me that up or downvoting a HN comment won't have any effect on TN usage of Stalebot

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