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Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by flyinglizard »

lordnacho wrote: post #328
jacobolus wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When the thug has nuclear weapons, responses get a lot trickier.

The thug also thinks his knife won't be needed. Often I wonder which of our leaders has ever played poker. It seems like Putin has figured out that we won't push all-in, ever, so he steals another pot. If the west really cared about this, the only way now is to retaliate way out of proportion to what's happened. Before this happened, the west also didn't act like it wanted to contain the Russians, so the Russians got…

That was something great about Trump; he could not be easily predicted, not even by his own circle. Although in this case I’m not sure he wouldn’t have sided with Putin.

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Post by ciphol »

keewee7 wrote: post #342
anshumankmr wrote: post #217

It is quite interesting to see publications like Jacobin posting obvious flame bait such as this: https://twitter.com/jacobin/status/1496693868955246599 . Even Tucker Carlson is parroting Russian propaganda. https://i.redd.it/pr9tnneyemj81.png I hope the Ukrainian people fight back as hard as they can and the governments of the world help them in any way they can.

Tucker Carlson and the rest of the Republican party's support for Russia boils down to "we need Russian support against China". Have they actually been to Russia? The country is intensely anti-Western and already on the verge of becoming a Chinese puppet state.

I think it's more "we need Russian support against Democrats". Given the events in US politics of the last 6 years.

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Post by kragen »

dandanua wrote: post #336
Gatsky wrote: post #75

> "To anyone who would consider interfering from the outside: if you do, you will face consequences greater than any of you have faced in history. All relevant decisions have been taken. I hope you hear me."

He is hinting that he can nuke everyone who will stand against. This is a typical tactic of bullies – to hint death threats, without directly stating them. Also they want to assure you that they can definitely do it, even though they know about the consequences. I wrote about such tactics in a blog post https://dandanua.github.io/posts/counterfactual-communicatio...

Nukes are probably not Russia's strongest offensive resource, and certainly will not be the first resource to be drawn upon.

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Post by cambaceres »

osynavets wrote: post #115

Kharkiv, 25 miles to Russia. Just want to say that we are strong, we are confident about our army and I hope that everything will be fine. I'm sorry that I share content like this on this platform, but that's my reality

I can't even imagine what you are going through. If you need to get out, Sweden welcomes you!

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Post by sillysaurusx »

osynavets wrote: post #115

Kharkiv, 25 miles to Russia. Just want to say that we are strong, we are confident about our army and I hope that everything will be fine. I'm sorry that I share content like this on this platform, but that's my reality

(I apologize for posting this here, but I was hoping for a one-time exception.)

I am trying to help my programmer friend escape Ukraine, along with their elderly family: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30451497

The problem is, I don’t know anything about Ukraine. I have money, and I can book an Airbnb in a neighboring country for them. But I suspect (apropos nothing) they’ll discover that there’s no way to leave the country through traditional means.

Does anyone know if the buses are still running? Can they get out of the country? If not, my fallback idea is to help them plan a way to escape on foot. But which part of the border should they try to cross?

What I really need is for someone local to Ukraine to DM me so that I can ask some basic questions. If you know anyone, please forward them:

Twitter: https://twitter.com/theshawwn

Telegram https://t.me/theshawwn

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EDIT: Apparently other people want to do this too, so I made a twitter thread to pool our knowledge:

https://twitter.com/theshawwn/status/1496761074258952193

I'll tweet updates there (and I'll post them here as edits for the next hour or so.)

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Updates:

- Someone DM'ed me on Telegram and mentioned that they're trying to do the same thing. They were thinking about evacuating them to Germany by "sending them an official invite, but the German embassy seems to be closed."

- A twitter DM pointed out https://twitter.com/MalcolmNance/status/1496724041520095235:

> If you know people who want to leave Kyiv, don't drive to Zhytomyr on the M06. Russian air assault will be taking cross roads. Go south to Bila Terskva to Berdichev to Vinnitsya to Kemenytsky. Fastest evac: go to Chernivsti crossing to Romania.

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Post by ROTMetro »

nradov wrote: post #111
ripvanwinkle wrote: post #32

To some extent this situation feels analogous to a street mugging happening in very slow motion The thug accosts the victim, threatens and then proceeds to assault the victim in full view of a large number of bystanders who are numerous enough to defend the victim and alter the outcome but not convicted enough to take on the inconvenience of doing so. Nevertheless all the bystanders voice words of encouragement and s…

Are you suggesting that neighboring countries should go to war to defend Ukraine? If I see a street mugging then I'll call the police but I'm not going to risk getting shot in order to intervene in a random street crime. This is obviously a terrible situation for the Ukrainian people but at the same time they could have done a lot more to prevent it. They essentially let their military deterrent collapse years ago th…

They trusted the American guaranty of their safety in exchange for them becoming a nuclear non-proliferation country and giving up their inherited nukes. American's failure to stay ahead of the situation and deliver on the guaranty we promised them caused this, and I think is going to lead to nuclear proliferation going up now.

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Post by cambaceres »

yumraj wrote: post #382

I'm sure China is watching this very eagerly and taking notes. Fate of Taiwan depends on how the West and the rest of the World reacts against Russia.

The west can't do anything to stop China from incorporating Taiwan. The only thing stopping China is that they are not fully prepared yet, they will be in a few years however.
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