Estonia, allies to trigger NATO Article 4
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Re: Estonia, allies to trigger NATO Article 4
#2https://valitsus.ee/en/news/estonian-government-requests-con...
People are minimizing this, based on the word "consultation". Don't be fooled, this is grave news, even though it is not Article 5. Article 5 invocation under these circumstances have substantial risk of full scale thermonuclear exchange.
Re: Estonia, allies to trigger NATO Article 4
#3(If it's what I heard) Requesting more troops is not triggering article 4
And as per the Tweet itself, it's a consultation
Re: Estonia, allies to trigger NATO Article 4
#4Am I correct in saying that Estonia is categorizing this as a threat to their security therefore requesting the rest of Nato to consider this an attack on a member?
Re: Estonia, allies to trigger NATO Article 4
#5(If it's what I heard) Requesting more troops is not triggering article 4 And as per the Tweet itself, it's a consultation
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Re: Estonia, allies to trigger NATO Article 4
#6Am I correct in saying that Estonia is categorizing this as a threat to their security therefore requesting the rest of Nato to consider this an attack on a member?
> I assure all the people of Estonia that there is no direct military threat to Estonia and that the situation in Estonia and at our external border is calm," Kallas [Estonias PM] emphasised.
Re: Estonia, allies to trigger NATO Article 4
#7(If it's what I heard) Requesting more troops is not triggering article 4 And as per the Tweet itself, it's a consultation
The consultation is what triggering article 4 means. Article 5 is collective defense.
Article 4 The Parties will consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the Parties is threatened.
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_17120.ht...
Re: Estonia, allies to trigger NATO Article 4
#8Am I correct in saying that Estonia is categorizing this as a threat to their security therefore requesting the rest of Nato to consider this an attack on a member?
No
Re: Estonia, allies to trigger NATO Article 4
#9Am I correct in saying that Estonia is categorizing this as a threat to their security therefore requesting the rest of Nato to consider this an attack on a member?
No, that's article 5. This is just(?) a consultation request.
Re: Estonia, allies to trigger NATO Article 4
#10Am I correct in saying that Estonia is categorizing this as a threat to their security therefore requesting the rest of Nato to consider this an attack on a member?
They consider their security to be threatened, and requested NATO to discuss it. Officially. Which is kind of a big deal.
Article 5 can be invoked once, intentionally or by accident, e.g. a NATO plane is attacked over Ukraine. This whole thing is a mess. Despite history since the end of the cold war (which makes some of Russia's positions somewhat understandable, and the fact that NATO didn't do anything different in Iraq and Afghanistan), if Western-style democracies don't want to loose their freedoms they have to act. Appeasement usually doesn't work with expansionist powers.