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Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by 0a3feeb »

uejfiweun wrote: post #139

Does anyone have any projections for how this war will go? Is the Ukrainian military powerful? Will this turn into a guerilla war, or will it go the way of total war? Or will it result in total capitulation? And another key question. What will Western governments actually do? What if the war gets really bad? Does the West actually have the balls to put real, biting sanctions on the regime? And will this crash the eco…

Ukraine won't exist in 48 hours; the fact that the Azov battalion exists should be an indicator that very few will fight for the government.

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Post by murkt »

forlorn wrote: post #141
csee wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Half of Russia supports an invasion. A minority is opposed. Was a poll

These are laughable numbers, trust me. It's the opposite in reality.

Reality? We’ll see if there will be any demonstrations in Russia against the war in this reality.

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Post by woodruffw »

wernercd wrote: post #167
woodruffw wrote: post #137

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Any abject suffering that occurs over the next hours, days, and weeks doesn't excuse the historical record of abject suffering imposed by the US military. It's perfectly consistent to be opposed to Russia's invasion of Ukraine and also reject the myth that the US's military is the only thing that maintains world peace.

"abject suffering" And what about some of the most peaceful decades in human history? That means nothing, eh? "only thing" Not the only thing by any stretch... but definitely a major reason and a hugely stabilizing force.

> "abject suffering" And what about some of the most peaceful decades in human history? That means nothing, eh?

The US, in a brief moment of national clarify, participated in exactly two just wars in the last century. The outcome of one of those wars was the establishment of liberal democracies across Western Europe, which is indeed a tremendous stabilizing force. But it's not clear to me that the US gets to claim outsized credit for the subsequent years of peacemaking under those nations.

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Post by unityByFreedom »

forlorn wrote: post #141
csee wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Half of Russia supports an invasion. A minority is opposed. Was a poll

These are laughable numbers, trust me. It's the opposite in reality.

I can't imagine anyone excited over warring with so near a place where so many families are connected. Also the two accounts above you are new.

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Post by Koshkin »

k41da wrote: post #144
wyager wrote: post #26

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Nuclear proliferation, like it or not, has done more for global peace than US military/trade hegemony. Ukraine gave up all its nukes in the 90s which is why this is happening now.

This is happening because the sanctions put in place on Russia during the Trump admin were undone haphazardly by Biden. Russia is moving strictly because it knows it has the EU by the short hairs on energy and after the afghanistan exit the US is in a very strategically weak position. We should be grateful Ukraine does not have nukes. 12 hours ago the world might've gotten 4000C hotter if they did.

Russia wouldn’t have attacked then, that’s all.

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Post by mc32 »

8note wrote: post #117
mc32 wrote: post #91

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This is too simple. Ukraine and Russia, Orthodox and Catholics, Polish, Ukrainians and Russians have had a varied history in the proximate territories. Despite the bluster of "I'm the only one who's gone toe to toe with Putin" there is only so much anyone can do in this situation. If KSA decided to invade one of its neighbors, there is only so much anyone could do because doing anything would severely disrupt energy.…

I have a strong feeling that the US has missiles stationed in both Japan and Korea, which is about the same as putting them in Taiwan for this comparison

Any missiles there have historically grown up with the CCP. Japan had an SDF --so the US's presence was added deterrent. In Korea we have the excuse of N Korea being a menace. As part of the negotiations during the collapse of the USSR, US officials acknowledged the Russian request that there be no NATO missiles in proximity of the RU border. GW Bush laughed it off and so did Obama.

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Post by VictorPath »

osynavets wrote: post #115

Kharkiv, 25 miles to Russia. Just want to say that we are strong, we are confident about our army and I hope that everything will be fine. I'm sorry that I share content like this on this platform, but that's my reality

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