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Emergencies Act Rescinded in Canada

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Re: Emergencies Act Rescinded in Canada

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Post by jquery »

rbanffy wrote: post #12
jevoten wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this one of those cases when xenophobia is ok?

No. This is one of those cases where we find out a war has already started and we didn't notice because the weapons are too new. Nice try though.

We’re absolutely already at war. Our institutions are being used against us. However, we are resilient. Anecdotally, I admit to falling for Russian disinfo in the past. Mea culpa. Now I’m a lot more wary and open eyed about how this stuff is generated and spread. I think every day, a number of adults learn for the first time they were duped by online misinformation, and will take steps to prevent it in the future. Hopefully this process happens faster than our enemy is able to deceive us.

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Post by s1artibartfast »

mmastrac wrote: post #7
fgahll wrote: post #6

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There was no emergency, just a huge annoyance that could have been cleared without dictatorial powers.

It was pretty clear during the protest that the Ottawa police were unable or unwilling to tackle the protest. Given the breakdown in the ability to restore order, most Canadians agree that the emergency was warranted. Using the phrase "dictatorial powers" to describe a bill explicitly designed to balance rights and forward action is incindiary language.

>Ottawa police were unable or unwilling to tackle the protest

I have yet to hear a plausible explanation for why this was.

I am very uncomfortable with the idea that the police declining to do their job is sufficient to emergency powers.

There should be proportionate responses to illegal behavior. Not even attempting to regulate illegal behavior with the appropriate government response should not be a justification for more severe government response.

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Post by s1artibartfast »

I still don't understand why the police didn't do their job and the emergency powers were used in the first place

The correct solution to illegal behavior in a healthy democracy is to arrest someone and try them in court. We shouldn't be denying that to to anybody no matter how wrong they are.

There should be proportionate responses to illegal behavior. Not even attempting to address to illegal behavior with the appropriate government response should not be a justification for more severe government response.

Simply not wanting to go through the process of arresting people shouldn't be sufficient cause for emergency powers.

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Post by frabbit »

jquery wrote: post #21
rbanffy wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. This is one of those cases where we find out a war has already started and we didn't notice because the weapons are too new. Nice try though.

We’re absolutely already at war. Our institutions are being used against us. However, we are resilient. Anecdotally, I admit to falling for Russian disinfo in the past. Mea culpa. Now I’m a lot more wary and open eyed about how this stuff is generated and spread. I think every day, a number of adults learn for the first time they were duped by online misinformation, and will take steps to prevent it in the future. Ho…

Just so that we`re absolutely clear on what you are saying: you think that this protest is something started by the Russians somehow?

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Post by smnrchrds »

kragen wrote: post #19
smnrchrds wrote: post #13

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In support of your position, this article: https://sethforprivacy.com/posts/fungibility-graveyard/

Those are indeed very serious problems with Bitcoin, but they are not the problem the parent was talking about.

I disagree. the government can tell (and has told) everyone that certain bitcoins are radioactive, making it hard or even impossible to spend them. There was a Matt Levine article about bitcoin laundering. It is much harder than I thought.

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Post by frabbit »

Is there any move towards an investigation of some sort into whether Trudeau will face penalties of some sort for invoking these extreme measures without the justification of there being no other law to address the issues?

Specifically I am thinking about this interesting interview with Dr. Leah West onthe Michael Geist LawBytes podcast. From about 8 minutes onwards they discuss whether the terrorist justification or the foreign influence justification existed: https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2022/02/law-bytes-podcast-episod...

It is interesting to see some commentators in this HN thread trying to suggest Russian influence. (And also IMO not very convincing).

In any case, whatever opinion you have on this, it's a good podcast.

Re: Emergencies Act Rescinded in Canada

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Post by frabbit »

frabbit wrote: post #16
rbanffy wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. This is one of those cases where we find out a war has already started and we didn't notice because the weapons are too new. Nice try though.

Do you think Gretchen Whitmer told Trudeau what to do again?

In case anyone did not catch this: ""Resolve this:" Gov. Whitmer calls on Canadian government to reopen Ambassador Bridge" https://wwmt.com/news/state/resolve-this-gov-whitmer-calls-o...

A shaming moment for Canada.

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Post by lovich »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #23

I still don't understand why the police didn't do their job and the emergency powers were used in the first place The correct solution to illegal behavior in a healthy democracy is to arrest someone and try them in court. We shouldn't be denying that to to anybody no matter how wrong they are. There should be proportionate responses to illegal behavior. Not even attempting to address to illegal behavior with the appr…

The federal Canadian government could not direct the police without using the emergency powers and the original police chief seemed to favor the protestors. The police in Canada, just like America, have had no issue cracking down on other protests, and started doing so after Sloly was replaced

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Post by mardifoufs »

Apparently the senate was set on voting against the act, which is very uncommon considering that they usually rubber stamp whatever the MPs voted for. That's not the official reason but it's the only one that makes sense considering the timing.

I guess the senate reforms to make it more independent actually yielded some results (one of the good things trudeau did, back when he was a lot less politically hawkish). The lawsuits were also piling up but those will continue I think. In any case this has been a disaster for the liberals and for Canada's reputation and I'm pleasantly surprised by the senate. I can see why it's not necessarily an uncessary, antiquated institution now. Checks and balances!

Re: Emergencies Act Rescinded in Canada

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Post by giordano-bruno »

mardifoufs wrote: post #29

Apparently the senate was set on voting against the act, which is very uncommon considering that they usually rubber stamp whatever the MPs voted for. That's not the official reason but it's the only one that makes sense considering the timing. I guess the senate reforms to make it more independent actually yielded some results (one of the good things trudeau did, back when he was a lot less politically hawkish). The…

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