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Re: Vanced: YouTube adblocker for Android

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Post by hysan »

okdood64 wrote: post #175
hutzlibu wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"but nevertheless you're taking service and declining the payment" Those strong words would need a real, clear contract between google and the user. "We serve you a video and we track everything you do, allmost wherever you go online" I haven't seen it spelled out by google like this and surely this is genral knowledge around here , but most people still don't have a clue about the general concept. In either case, ev…

> So yes, we need other payment models than advertisement. But I doubt this can come from google, no matter how much I would pay them, for a single service. YouTube Premium

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t you still being tracked by Google even when using YouTube Premium? So while you not get ads, you are still paying an additional cost that is your data which is used for ads elsewhere.

Re: Vanced: YouTube adblocker for Android

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Post by wbobeirne »

smukherjee19 wrote: post #184
wbobeirne wrote: post #18

Asking this question in good faith and in the interest of a productive discussion: Can someone give me their reasoning for why to use this over just paying for YouTube premium? They're providing a service that you value and spend enough time on to warrant looking for a way to not have to view ads, and if everyone were to start using Vanced overnight, YouTube wouldn't be able to justify staying up indefinitely. It fee…

Here's another angle: a LOT of common people out there don't even bother blocking ads, let alone even thinking about the possibility that it's possible to block ads without using Youtube Premium. They either: a) Live with ads, thinking that's the norm or not giving it much thought, or, b) Subscribe to Youtube Premium without considering the possibility of ways around it. So, realistically speaking, the probability of…

I agree it's unlikely, but it's a negative externality all the same. In general I try to minimize those. It's also highly dependent on the creator's viewer demographic, since the creator only gets paid for ads watched. A tech focused creator probably sees significantly less ad revenue than one with a more general audience.

Re: Vanced: YouTube adblocker for Android

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Post by dont__panic »

kevincox wrote: post #131
wbobeirne wrote: post #18

Asking this question in good faith and in the interest of a productive discussion: Can someone give me their reasoning for why to use this over just paying for YouTube premium? They're providing a service that you value and spend enough time on to warrant looking for a way to not have to view ads, and if everyone were to start using Vanced overnight, YouTube wouldn't be able to justify staying up indefinitely. It fee…

I used to pay for Premium. Then they kept making the service worse and worse. Eventually I decided that they don't deserve my money. - YouTube Music is trash. I was an inside early adopter and all of my feedback was ignored. I originally subscribed for Google Play Music (which was pretty good) but I switched back to my own collecting. - They removed email subscription notices. - YouTube Originals were awful. They too…

Yeah, the constant ad creep is my justification for ad blockers as well: since the service provider doesn't respect me or my privacy, they'll never be content to serve a few simple ads on the side of a video based on the content of that video to pay the server bills. Instead, they'll build a giant Rube Goldberg machine to target ads, hoover up user data, and shove more and more ads in my face. Even when I pay, I still get "original content" shown in my face because it's cheaper for them to serve than content sourced from other providers.

At the end of the day, you just have to put in the legwork to make things optimal for your use case, because they'll never care about you anyway.

Re: Vanced: YouTube adblocker for Android

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Post by bduerst »

BipolarCapybara wrote: post #36
endisneigh wrote: post #19

Funny how people want content but don’t want to support content creators via ads or paying for YouTube Premium. The internet in a nutshell. Ironically if people weren’t so avoidant of paying for digital content, ads, and the subsequent tracking, would’ve never emerged.

Didn't the ads model emerge in part because in the early days it was really hard to pay for online services?

Maybe. If you look at the mobile app industry, which emerged when it was easier to pay for services, you still have a glut of demand for free or $0.99 apps.

Re: Vanced: YouTube adblocker for Android

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Post by toastercat »

wbobeirne wrote: post #158
DetroitThrow wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On hn I find people often talk about how as individuals we shouldn't ignore the negative externalities we might create for massively profitable monopolies, but never in the same breath do we talk about the negative externalities those monopolies thrust on us as individuals or on our governments. I'm sure most are aware just how well Google will be regardless of whether they bypass ads or not.

My main consideration is for content creators, especially since the ad revenue is passed through to them. Any concern I have about YouTube not being able to sustain itself does not come from a place of caring about Google's livelihood. I also have a whole laundry list of complaints and gripes about YouTube and Google as a whole. But I'm probably not going to get much productive engagement from them airing those here,…

> My main consideration is for content creators, especially since the ad revenue is passed through to them. Any concern I have about YouTube not being able to sustain itself does not come from a place of caring about Google's livelihood.

The best solution I've found to this is to support content creators directly. Subscribe to their Patreon, Liberapay, GoFundMes, etc. Most YouTubers who sincerely try to make a living from their content already do this. Or just disable adblock for a video or two.

Re: Vanced: YouTube adblocker for Android

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Post by DetroitThrow »

wbobeirne wrote: post #158
DetroitThrow wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On hn I find people often talk about how as individuals we shouldn't ignore the negative externalities we might create for massively profitable monopolies, but never in the same breath do we talk about the negative externalities those monopolies thrust on us as individuals or on our governments. I'm sure most are aware just how well Google will be regardless of whether they bypass ads or not.

My main consideration is for content creators, especially since the ad revenue is passed through to them. Any concern I have about YouTube not being able to sustain itself does not come from a place of caring about Google's livelihood. I also have a whole laundry list of complaints and gripes about YouTube and Google as a whole. But I'm probably not going to get much productive engagement from them airing those here,…

When the discussion is based on "negative externalities" of individuals towards tenants who are already at the mercy of a non-negotiable relationship receiving an opaque and steadily decreasing cut of revenue, and when most tenants attempting to create have to rely on more than just ad revenue to keep creating, it seems to me that the more harmful actor in this scenario to tenants is the monopoly and not those who avoid ad revenue.

It's not productive or in good faith discussion to flip the focus of an examination of negative externalities on those individuals avoiding ads once that is brought up, but again, the largest contributing problem actors are not what you care to talk about.

Re: Vanced: YouTube adblocker for Android

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Post by wbobeirne »

toastercat wrote: post #181
wbobeirne wrote: post #18

Asking this question in good faith and in the interest of a productive discussion: Can someone give me their reasoning for why to use this over just paying for YouTube premium? They're providing a service that you value and spend enough time on to warrant looking for a way to not have to view ads, and if everyone were to start using Vanced overnight, YouTube wouldn't be able to justify staying up indefinitely. It fee…

Everytime* we have a thread about third-party YouTube clients, there are comments like yours by folks who fundamentally misunderstand the purpose of these third-party tools. The same happened year(s) ago with a thread about NewPipe. The purpose of these apps (including Vanced) is not solely to get past ad-block; Vanced (and NewPipe, and Piped, and Invidious) do far more than just give an ad-free viewing experience --…

You're totally right and I wish I had clarified that more in my original comment. I will probably try out Vanced even though I pay for Premium. I was really looking to hear from the people who primarily use it to circumvent ads, which I assume is the primary draw. But there are a lot of other good features worth discussing.

Re: Vanced: YouTube adblocker for Android

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Post by Teever »

lucasmullens wrote: post #148
Teever wrote: post #82

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A very important life rule is to never, ever care about someone more than they care about you.

That's like, the opposite of the golden rule. Do unto others only if they'd do unto you.

Not exactly.

I would like others to reciprocate by not caring about me more than I care about them.

Re: Vanced: YouTube adblocker for Android

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Post by Teever »

bduerst wrote: post #174
Teever wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A very important life rule is to never, ever care about someone more than they care about you.

This rule creates a negative feedback loop to a world where every single person cares about no one else.

As opposed to some Woodstock hippy utopia where everyone cares so much for everyone else that love conquers all?
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