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Do Not Change Your Job

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Re: Do Not Change Your Job

#81

I've increasingly become aware that I'm not at all like many here. I don't really care about my salary, as long as it's enough to live on. I don't live to work - I work to live. I love my job, and give it 110% (and I don't even count in binary when I say that), but at the end of the day, it doesn't define me. It's a means to an end. I believe in the company and what we're building, and as such I'll stay until I retir…

I am absolutely like you in this! Being at my current company for 10 years and I am not really planning to leave ever! The job is fun! Has an excellent work life balance! The salary is good enough to live a more than comfortable life! Why should I chase higher compensation for the sake of it? More money won’t make me happier!

Re: Do Not Change Your Job

#82

Lots of talk about compensation here, but the reality is more complex. The longer you go without moving the more divorced from industry standard practices you are. Worked at google for 10 years and can’t spin up a docker container to save your life? Every organisation has their own internal stacks and the longer you spend using them the more productive you get and the less productive you’ll be without them . So… you…

This is what I’ve noticed too. But what’s strange is the proverbial handcuffs seem to show up around year 2 or 3 for me, I think that’s about how long it takes to get a little too comfortable with your tech stack

If you can’t pick up new technologies quickly than you were not much of an engineer to being with!

Re: Do Not Change Your Job

#83
Written from a limited perspective; novice expert wisdom. Certainly it's valuable to stick around to really understand long term effects of things your immediate predecessors and then you yourself did. You do start to understand things. I agree that staying at one job for 5 years, not 5 jobs over 5 years, makes one senior. You also have to be capable of learning such wisdom within whatever constraints may be in place.

But you don't then need to repeat this ad nauseam. Once you then go into your next job after your first long stint, you should instantly recognize the tradeoffs and be able to ascertain whether they were known or unknown. After a few years doing that, then you are probably ready to be staff level, although the likelihood of internal promotion is likely slim.

I'd say the ideal tenure history looks similar to (not precisely):

new grad > 1-2 years > 1-2 years > 5 years > 3 years > whatever

You need those quick hops initially to a) see at least a couple different work environments, and b) to get your salary up quickly, which is especially important early on. Then, yes, after 2-3 of those shorter stints you need at least one longer stint to gain the real wisdom that you didn't get with your early on "same year of experience multiple times". Then you need to hop again for both salary and promotion, and to see how your wisdom applies to another environment. After that, optimize for whatever your life wins and losses have guided you towards.

Of course (!) YMMV. Sh_t happens. Or you might have hit a lottery at your very first company. Who knows what else. I'm just suggesting what an "ideal" progression might look like, not considering how life throws things at you, or how companies vary in their quality making it bad to stick to some prescribed progression.

EDIT: I see the author actually followed (is following) my exact suggested trajectory. I find it a little odd then that the advice given doesn't capture that at all.

Re: Do Not Change Your Job

#84

Question for everyone who regularly changes jobs and has a high income: what are your total hours like? I don't make $200k+ but I only work 4 days a week and have non-US (so, good) levels of annual leave. Please include time outside work spent studying for your next job.

Yeah… I always wandered the same… I love in Europe and my salary is not even near to what people claim to earn… but I am pretty sure that if we compare the effective hourly salary I out-earn most of them!

Re: Do Not Change Your Job

#85
I think this is a fairly good post actually, though perhaps gets to the point with more words than sufficient. Now that I've had enough shit experiences and pay bumps, I'd absolutely prefer to stay with a company that suits me well, but probably for a maximum of 2 years (none of my work experiences in the first 12 years of adult life have lasted 2 years or more yet). I'm currently with a company that feels like a great fit, but I'm making less than I should be for the area I live in, and the housing crisis demands that Canadian software developers should probably negotiate more aggressively. If my needs are met along all the dimensions the author mentions, then I'd only seek another company if I can be close to certain that I'd love it, it would suit me, and it would be an after-tax gain of 20k or more annually.

Re: Do Not Change Your Job

#86
I see people claiming they were getting 300% raise while switching every 2 years .

My question is - is it consistent even after 10 years of doing so? Or is it just first 2-3 times you see 300% raise and you don't know what will happen next time?

Re: Do Not Change Your Job

#87
post #16

Strange I used to throw CV's in the rubbish bin if they repeatedly moved jobs every 2 years or under. My rational for that was that they would probably only last 2 years in our company so I preferred someone more stable. Small teams hurt when you keep loosing staff and training is not cheap.

Where are you based at? In the past decade in Silicon Valley even annual movement was not uncommon.

HK then Small town UK then Small town NZ. I doubt 1% of HN works in Silicon Valley or on cutting edge designs.

Re: Do Not Change Your Job

#88
post #16

Strange I used to throw CV's in the rubbish bin if they repeatedly moved jobs every 2 years or under. My rational for that was that they would probably only last 2 years in our company so I preferred someone more stable. Small teams hurt when you keep loosing staff and training is not cheap.

my cv is full of that. first job out of college- 2 years, left because I didn't want to work on legacy php anymore second job - got laid off after one year(funnily enough I was hired on to contact 2 months after the lay off) third - left after 3 years because the company was having payroll issues. I've been at my current company for 1.5 years. I love it a lot but I'm seeing the market and could likely make 2x what I'…

I doubt I would (throw your resume in the trash), Its an art not a science, you're just trying to get someone who will contribute to stability in the team rather than leave at the first opportunity a CV can also make that clear.

Re: Do Not Change Your Job

#89

I've increasingly become aware that I'm not at all like many here. I don't really care about my salary, as long as it's enough to live on. I don't live to work - I work to live. I love my job, and give it 110% (and I don't even count in binary when I say that), but at the end of the day, it doesn't define me. It's a means to an end. I believe in the company and what we're building, and as such I'll stay until I retir…

I think there's a bit of a false dichotomy here (in your comment, and in a number of other comments here). The choice in tech isn't between "good life, low pay" and "bad life, good pay". I can almost guarantee, in the US, if you are not already pulling down a total comp >350k, that you can find a job that will both pay you more and keep a good quality of life. I can also almost guarantee that, unless you work for one of the tiny handful of companies that are super aggressive about keeping comp in line with the market, you will never get an internal raise that will match what you can get on the market every two years.

Personally, I hop about every two years. Work-life balance is super important to me, and I do not invest myself overly in my job. I have consistently scored 30-40% raises on those hops. The absolute best raise I've ever gotten internally was 14% and my boss (probably the best boss I've ever had) had to go to war for it. Even including that 14% raise and a 9% raise offered at an earlier job in similar circumstances (i.e. active fear of losing headcount after people started leaving), my average internal raise is still only around 7%. If you aren't moving, you're leaving a substantial amount of money on the table. That can be justified, but quality of life is not the justification that a lot of folks here seem to think it is.

Re: Do Not Change Your Job

#90

Question for everyone who regularly changes jobs and has a high income: what are your total hours like? I don't make $200k+ but I only work 4 days a week and have non-US (so, good) levels of annual leave. Please include time outside work spent studying for your next job.

Just shy of 200k in TC, heading higher after accepting my next offer. 36ish hours a week, without any real oversight on actual time (I'm currently interviewing and I'm not sure anyone has noticed that I've been dipping out for an hour or so/day for interviews and prep). "Unlimited leave" for the last five years now across two jobs, which as we all know is a scam, but I try to take at least 30 days off per year, usually in two week-long blocks and then at least 1-2 three or four day weekend per month.

I said this elsewhere in this thread, but in tech in the US, you can now live almost anywhere (except for SF/NYC/Seattle/maybe LA?), make an amount of money that will put you in the top 1-5% of wage earners wherever you are, and still have a pretty chill life. I don't know if that'll still be the case in five or ten years—there is so much money sloshing around right now, it's unreal—but for now, I think it's foolish not to try to catch the wave and bank as much as you can.

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