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In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail seriously

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Re: In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail seriously

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Protesters blocked multiple international borders between Canada and the US, at a cost of hundreds of millions of dollars per day ($300 million/day for the Windsor/Detroit crossing alone). There is no "civil liberty" that protects the right to blockade an international border, just as there is no civil liberty to park a convoy of trucks in someone's neighbourhood and then stay there indefinitely. I have family who li…

The correct solution to Illegal behavior in a healthy democracy is to arrest someone and try them in court. We shouldn't be denying that to to anybody no matter how wrong they are.

Banks were instructed to unfreeze accounts on Monday, Feb 21 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/canada-instructs-banks-to-unfre...). The Emergencies Act that kicked off the account freezes was enacted a week earlier, on Monday, Feb 15. If you were involved in an illegal blockade/occupation, would you honestly choose being arrested and charged with one or more crimes and run the risk of a prison sentence/criminal record, over having your bank account frozen for a week?

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I don’t know how Trudeau/Freeland could possibly be this idiotic. The protestors played it smart - they were peaceful yet strategic in blocking major import/export roads so the government actually felt the pain. Instead of even talking to them, the government permanently damaged a large number of peoples trust in any financial institutions. As a practical matter, how do I begin to move towards unseizable assets? Cryp…

>The protestors played it smart - they were peaceful yet strategic in blocking major import/export roads so the government actually felt the pain.

You have to understand that this is not one group of protestors. The border blockades were cleared without the emergency act. The emergency act was used specifically against the protestors by parliament in ottawa. The government used using a CBC article talking about threat of border blockades to justify using this emergency act against the protestors in ottawa who had nothing to do with the border blockades.

It's like using actions of a third party in new york to justify quashing protestors in washington DC. and the NDP helped the Liberals pass it. The Liberals should be required to change their party name to something else, because they aren't.

I am not a believer in crypto but the current government here is convincing me quickly.

Re: In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail seriously

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If the problem is that accounts were being frozen without due process, then couldn't it be solved by adding some due process to it, instead of just banning freezing accounts outright? Treat it more like an arrest. People who are arrested still have rights; it should be the same here. It should be strong enough to limit criminals while still allowing the innocent proper recourse. Have a version of the writ of habeas c…

It was lawful freezing, in the sense that the Emergency Act allowed them to avoid due process, and was passed by the major left leaning parties in Canada.

You don't need to add due process, it was already there. They decided this was worth declaring a war level emergency to clear out some protestors in ottawa. The border blockades had already been cleared by then.

Re: In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail seriously

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Here you go: https://twitter.com/OttawaBylaw/status/1494306645274509316?r...

That's not what "relinquished" means.

You can combine that with the fact that the shelter in question has limited capacity and euthanized 20% of animals in the last year. Roll a 6 sided die, and on a 6 your pet dies. That is absolutely a threat to kill pets.

EDIT: I don't like politifact as a source because it has a lot of bias (despite the name), but here's a citation on the shelter's (Ottawa Humane Society) kill rate: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/feb/22/facebook-p...

Read to the bottom, where they specify that they have rated this as "false" because "The city did not threaten to kill any pets 'as punishment.'" The city merely said that they would give your pets to a shelter that kills 1/5 of the animals it takes in - a shelter that kills pets for "extreme fear" which could include separation anxiety from the pet's owner. They don't explicitly say that they are doing this to punish people because they don't say why they are doing it.

Also, make no mistake, nobody is going to outright say "I will kill your pets if you don't leave," but they are going to make threats like this that provide them with some plausible deniability to say "we didn't actually threaten to kill your pet, the shelter was just overwhelmed and couldn't take it."

Re: In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail seriously

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In a digital world, the Eye of Sauron is multi-threaded. (your statement isn't true when it comes to virtual + automated surveillance)

Yes, the error in the metaphor is that the eye of sauron was one eye. Automated surveillance is millions of eyes that track, record, and calculate a billion times faster than the human eye.

And it saves all observations forever for future review and analysis.

Re: In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail seriously

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That's not what "relinquished" means.

You can combine that with the fact that the shelter in question has limited capacity and euthanized 20% of animals in the last year. Roll a 6 sided die, and on a 6 your pet dies. That is absolutely a threat to kill pets. EDIT: I don't like politifact as a source because it has a lot of bias (despite the name), but here's a citation on the shelter's (Ottawa Humane Society) kill rate: https://www.politifact.com/factche…

I see no reference to any particular shelter in that tweet, nor do I see a citation to support a 20% kill rate.

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Based on that source, the Humane Society had a kill rate of 20.6% in that year. Of those 10% were due to "due to serious behavioral issues such as aggression and/or extreme fear". So, a kill rate of 2.6% excluding health and/or owner request. That's not really a coin toss -- that's the Humane Society making a judgement call on whether a pet can be rehabilitated. I have no insight into the Humane Society's decision making here, but this number is clearly in the minority.

I don't think the government is being unreasonable here or threatening the wholesale slaughter of animals. They're asking people who have brought their pets to a protest to be responsible pet owners and find a safe place for their pets before the police move in, which is the same thing they wanted responsible parents to do with their children.

Let's assume we're talking about dogs here, unless people are bringing their really extraordinary cats to the protest. Anecdotally, in the GTA it can really hard to adopt a dog. One shelter I tried a couple of years ago didn't have a single dog. As a pet owner I would see the greater threat here that my dog would be taken from me and adopted out to a new family. In Ontario, euthanasia wouldn't be my first concern if I were to lose a dog.

Re: In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail seriously

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Another day, another answer to "What is Bitcoin good for?" Previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30435383 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30408611

Bitcoin increases the chances of a dystopian authoritarian future happening, precisely because for the most part the use cases where it actually works better than the regular banking system are when someone is trying to evade the law. Proponents like to imagine that people using it to evade the law will mostly be using it to evade unpopular laws such as laws that restrict civil rights, but I thinking they are being w…

> There are far more people who are simply criminals and fraudsters who need to evade popular laws in order to blackmail or steal from or scam ordinary people than people who need to evade unpopular unjust laws.

Bless your heart. I hope you can preserve that innocence for many years to come — nobody in Venezuela or Argentina has the luxury of such ignorance†. So, even though I hope you can, I hope you choose not to.

One correction, though: the people who were donating to the truckers' protest weren't evading any laws. Rather, the government is evading laws in its illegal crackdown, and Bitcoin is providing a means to limit its unlawful powers.

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† Of course, not all of them think Bitcoin is a good idea! And they might be right.

Re: In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail seriously

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There's a question to be asked... From Dan of The Line Goes Up on The Financial Diet - https://youtu.be/8St36RjHd2E?t=757 (please pardon the wall of text transcription) > But the why are crypto and NFTs bad? It's like they're socially destructive and they represent crypto. I really want to stress that NFTs are an extension of crypto and crypto is a socially destructive experiment that goes to great lengths to concent…

Not all cryptographic currencies are deflationary.

Bitcoin probably is deflationary, though, like gold. We should take seriously the prospect that Bitcoin will return us to some aspects of the economic regime that was in effect during the time of the gold standard, roughly 700 BCE to either 1933 or 1971 CE.

Re: In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail seriously

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Monero is a good thing to look into. Even if you don’t want to hold it yourself, swapping in and out of it will make the “paper” trail that much harder to follow.

I’ve heard a lot of reports of popular exchanges freezing accounts of customers who traded with other exchanges that don’t have strong KYC requirements. How am I supposed to exchange for Monero if Coinbase (and the state of New York) dislike it? I’m not trying to be sarcastic. I genuinely don’t know what to do in order to use Monero.

Where are these reports of popular exchanges freezing customer accounts? I'm also genuinely curious, because I've never heard of them, and a cursory Google search isn't turning up much.

As for exchanging for Monero, there's starting to be the option of atomic swaps with Bitcoin. Alternatively, you could also try going through one of the various non-KYC automated swapping services.

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