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EU to mandate public salary information for all job postings [pdf]

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Re: EU to mandate public salary information for all job postings [pdf]

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"Performance management isn't an exact science and if everyone knew everyone else's pay, it would be total chaos and nothing would get done." How's that work for the GS structure then? Or for union jobs in various sectors? The only reason chaos would ensure is if there were extensive unexplainable and unfair practices.

It depends on what you mean by "unfair". In plenty of companies I have worked for, you pay quite a lot more than you want for a particular hire not necessarily because they are worth it but because you are desperate and they are nearly good enough. You generally don't get away with putting people's salaries down if they don't perform and if you did, they might leave ending with you being back in the mess. This might…

Good job reaching for a maybe "acceptable" edge case. In reality we know it's the drunk sales guy with 3 divorces who needs to pay child support and is buddy-buddy with the CEO skewing the figures.

Re: EU to mandate public salary information for all job postings [pdf]

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You are lucky they did not use equifaxs https://theworknumber.com/ to get your salary info. Or maybe they did and your salary info wasn’t there. Many of my employers have reported my salary to that database without my consent. It is easy to obtain. There was an article on HN about it within the last month.

How does a company participate in this system? Are there headcount/turnover/etc requirements? What prevents someone from setting up companies that claim to employ anyone (you can "apply" for a nominal fee online and you get "hired" immediately and your chosen salary figure gets sent to these assholes)?

Most payroll companies support the integration. So step 1 is probably pay for an expensive payroll platform. They are going to have meta data for the fake company, so your $2MM salary is coming from a 1-10 person company with no website or anything might be suspect.

Re: EU to mandate public salary information for all job postings [pdf]

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> Employers would be prohibited from asking about an applicant's pay history Aw, that was one of the fun moments when getting my current job. I moved from private sector to public sector and they're like "You understand that the previous pay you listed is more than our boss's boss, the director of our entire org unit gets paid right?". Yes, yes I do. Which is why when you asked at interview "Why do you want this role…

Hahaha I got this once - I was working for a startup in the Bay Area remotely from my place in Oxford and then wanted to see what interesting jobs existed in the local area. There is a small cluster of space startups nearby so I applied to one of those through a recruiter. He didn't seem to understand why I was looking to go from a job paying ~$200k to ~$50k (Oxford does not pay developers well at all!) and saying "B…

If you're still looking to do that I can definitely recommend a company in the same timezone! Alén Space is hiring and I can tell you it's a great team (I used to work with the founders).

Re: EU to mandate public salary information for all job postings [pdf]

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It depends on what you mean by "unfair". In plenty of companies I have worked for, you pay quite a lot more than you want for a particular hire not necessarily because they are worth it but because you are desperate and they are nearly good enough. You generally don't get away with putting people's salaries down if they don't perform and if you did, they might leave ending with you being back in the mess. This might…

'It depends on what you mean by "unfair".' Can it be explained on the basis of value? If so, then good. If not, then it's likely unfair. "It can also create resentment if others knew that someone was overpaid." How can they be overpaid? The salary was set by the market. If the others are underpaid due to lagging the market, then they might just leave anyways. Their value has changed during their tenure and the compan…

bingo, I've gone from about $56k to $130k in about 8 years by changing companies. I know another guy who stayed with one of the companies for about 30 years. He was making less then me when I got hired, but about $15k and now he's at about $70k.

This should really end. Job hopping should not be necessary to get a decent wage.

Re: EU to mandate public salary information for all job postings [pdf]

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Yeah, none of that is true. There is no federal sales tax, and sales tax in most places didn't ever come close to 10%, let alone 20%. In many states it's 0. Filing your taxes is free. Maybe you can spend $30 if you want to use turbo tax to do it for you. Any job with these salary differences provides great health care and benefits. Cars exist in Europe, I know many software developers there that have them. Why people…

Yeah, none of this is true. There is federal and state income taxes with 7(?) states not having income taxes. 3(?) states do not have sales taxes. My states sales tax is 2%, but the locality has a 6% tax, so total sales tax is 8% and is higher on thinks like alcohol. Filing your taxes is free, but depending on the financial moves you make (selling stocks, rolling over a 401k, etc) you may need to set aside money thro…

> so total sales tax is 8%

GP was comparing to European Union by stating sales tax in the US "generally ends up being about 18-20%, which is in-line with VAT in most Euro countries"

Most countries in the EU have 20%+ VAT indeed [0], however the average combined sales tax in the US is 7% [1] - a third of that.

[0] https://taxfoundation.org/value-added-tax-2021-vat-rates-in-...

[1] https://www.aarp.org/money/taxes/info-2020/state-sales-tax-r...

Re: EU to mandate public salary information for all job postings [pdf]

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I assume you're not in the USA? As a network architect, even non-coastal jobs are easily had for $120,000 and go up from there...

I don't think that's true at all. If it were so easy, why don't I have one? More people are paid below $110k than above (median).

How big an environment are we talking about? More then about 50 servers, you're underpaid if you aren't making 6 figures.

Re: EU to mandate public salary information for all job postings [pdf]

#277
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Not every employee in role X is as good as every other employee in role X. The better ones deserve higher pay, which creates an incentive for the others to up their game so that they, too, can earn more. Why try harder if it's run like romper room?

That is what bonus structures are for. Where you can pay extra in addition in order to incentivise better outcomes for your business.

What enshrines bonuses from being free from these disclosures and regulations? Any law about pay could be extended to bonuses and bonus disparity becomes pay disparity (unless I'm missing some enshrined, unchangeable, legal exemption/difference between bonuses and pay).

Re: EU to mandate public salary information for all job postings [pdf]

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Is there anything in this mandate that prevents corporations from listing unreasonably large ranges? For the sake of this example, let's say FAANG is looking for a software engineer and the range for the job listing is: 68k - 600k . Would this be allowed? I ask because Denver, Colorado has identical mandated restrictions for job listings, and employers are skirting regulations by offering ridiculously broad ranges, p…

If I understand correctly they basically list what other people in the same role in the same company are paid. E.g. the company has 5 junior software developers and they are paid between 40k and 60k€ then that must be listed as the range if a new junior software developer is recruited.

Re: EU to mandate public salary information for all job postings [pdf]

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Reminder: forgery / use of forged documents is forbidden in France, as per article 441-1 of the penal code. A man was recently sentenced to 4 months of jail time because he lied about his salary to rent an apartment. [0] [0]: https://www.capital.fr/economie-politique/un-locataire-conda...

There used to be another country which made resumes into a legal document: https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeitsbuch#/media/Datei%3AA...

Well and all the communist states too. Your personal ID was a small booklet that contained all your employment info. Police frequently checked it and told your workplace if you did anything out of the ordinary.

Re: EU to mandate public salary information for all job postings [pdf]

#280

I find myself at the other end of the equal pay problem - I am equally payed with equally titled but not equally working coworkers. The entire management chain has clearly different expectations from me: I get most if not all of the difficult tasks and my coworkers rely daily on my guidance. In this quarter discussion with my manager I've been told I can not get a pay raise as it would create a discrepancy with my co…

You should ask for a promotion. Explain how you are taking a leadership role in your team and mentoring your peers. If you get a new title your employer can also cone up with a salary which no longer needs to match your current peers.
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