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U.S. Secret Service Launches Cryptocurrency Awareness Hub

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> Basically what's missing is the ability to even guess at the "true" value of cryptocurrency. There's no P/E ratios to consider because the only thing Crypto "produces" is Crypto transactions. It's also impossible to even guess at a floor or ceiling for the price of a cryptocurrency. The only thing that determines their price is human sentiment - a very fickle input. Interestingly, this isn't really true anymore. Mo…

As a layperson who doesn't know a whole lot about investing, this sounds like a ponzi scheme. The way that I am interpreting this is that if I were to invest in one of these (i.e. Maker) then the returns that I would see are there purely because other people are investing in it. That is close to what most stocks do, but at least with stocks in a company the value is not driven by the mechanism by which it is traded a…

> The way that I am interpreting this is that if I were to invest in one of these (i.e. Maker) then the returns that I would see are there purely because other people are investing in it.

That's the opposite of what I'm saying. The returns are from other people using the platform, not from investors in it. For Maker, using the platform means borrowing. For Uniswap, the returns are from a small % fee on trades. It's exactly analogous to a traditional company.

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Bitcoin is anchored in physics and math. And used by millions without western privileges.

I think you'll find it rather hard to trade the abstract concept of physics and math for some food or shelter.

Just ask Tesla.

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Regulation will happen. Some Crypto people may believe that they are immune to the governments of the world but they really aren't. Whoever can kick down your door has the ability to make some rules and especially after a significant economic crash rules will be demanded. Since crypto doesn't do anything fundamentally new I predict that most of those rules will look like current financial laws "but on the blockchain"…

How will the government know whos door to kick down? Your wallet doesn't have a physical address.... unless you're hoarding your money on an exchange

At some point you're going to have to exchange your crypto for physical goods.

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> One argument seems to be that cryptocurrency is purely speculative, which is apparently a dirty word. What about the stock market? What about any kind of investment? I recommend not using the "what about the stock market?" tactic to defend cryptocurrencies. Crypto is more speculative than the stock market because companies have physical assets, ongoing revenue and profits, dividends that they pay out to their share…

> companies have physical assets, ongoing revenue and profits, dividends that they pay out to their shareholders. Exactly! If Uber ever shuts down for any reason, they can take all of their vehicles, buildings, gold, and whatever else they own, and evenly distribute them for all shareholders!

That's pretty much what would happen, yes. With the intermediate step of selling those assets.

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I’m blown away by how anti-crypto this discussion is. I hadn’t realized how negative the prevailing sentiment is on Hacker News. One argument seems to be that cryptocurrency is purely speculative, which is apparently a dirty word. What about the stock market? What about any kind of investment? If you truly believe that cryptocurrency is the basis for a superior economic system, isn’t it rational and wise to put some…

>I’m blown away by how anti-crypto this discussion is. I hadn’t realized how negative the prevailing sentiment is on Hacker News.

There was a dream that was crypto once upon a time. It is now exclusively the domain of organized crime, grifters, and every imaginable permutation of ne'er-do-well you can possibly scrape up on the web. The entire space sickens and disappoints me.

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What are you talking about? APY on a loan is not P/E.

It is a return. And it is not loan, it is a "stake". An example of the mumbojumbo obvious fraud that is out there. It has nothing to do with a company making money by producing useful products or services that has actual real world value.

I mostly agree with you, but how does crypto.com's marketing relate to what I was talking about in the parent comment?

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Regulation will happen. Some Crypto people may believe that they are immune to the governments of the world but they really aren't. Whoever can kick down your door has the ability to make some rules and especially after a significant economic crash rules will be demanded. Since crypto doesn't do anything fundamentally new I predict that most of those rules will look like current financial laws "but on the blockchain"…

How will the government know whos door to kick down? Your wallet doesn't have a physical address.... unless you're hoarding your money on an exchange

Watch transactions that people make and compare to what they do in real life. It is tedious work and takes time, but governments do similar things to investigates lots of crimes. If you murdered one person you would probably get away with it so long as you are not obvious about it (don't murder your wife - you become the obvious suspect and probably can't hide your trail), but most criminals commit several crimes and eventually all the different trail of evidence add up to an arrest. Likewise if you only have one crypto transaction you won't be found, but for crypto to be useful you need to use it and eventually that leaves enough of a real world trail to figure out who did what.

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post #52

I’m blown away by how anti-crypto this discussion is. I hadn’t realized how negative the prevailing sentiment is on Hacker News. One argument seems to be that cryptocurrency is purely speculative, which is apparently a dirty word. What about the stock market? What about any kind of investment? If you truly believe that cryptocurrency is the basis for a superior economic system, isn’t it rational and wise to put some…

> Banks will be hurt by crypto Anyone saying this is talking bollocks. Wall Street hasn’t seen a bonanza like crypto since ‘06. Hedge funds are having their best fundraising years since the 80s, largely on the back of crypto-related trading. The best balance I can come up for crypto is to mandate KYC at all on and off ramps, tax its trading like the luxury good it is (maybe using the proceeds to fund law enforcement…

>The best balance I can come up for crypto is to mandate KYC at all on and off ramps

That would drive the value basically to zero, since the entirety of all crypto market caps are based on their ability to facilitate digital crimes.

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