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Wordle is pretty damn smart in many subtle ways

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Re: Wordle is pretty damn smart in many subtle ways

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post #153

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That's interesting, I suspect a lot of Wordle's success derives from their curation of words to remove things like "abaft" and "imago". But then I see the NYT went and removed words like "caulk" and "agora" because they were "obscure", and I feel better about humph.

caulk was the word last week though? Nobody I play the game with knew that word. Granted we are not native english speakers. Too hard word every now and then is also unifying experience when everybody stops hating the player and instead hates the game.

Fair point. Caulk might also be more of a British English word than American English word.

Re: Wordle is pretty damn smart in many subtle ways

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In addition to everything else already discussed — the game is really well done, the sharing feature is inspired, the animations are delightful, etc — the thing about Wordle that makes it so universally popular is that it’s a very easy game that is experientially difficult. You have 6 guesses of 5 letters. There are only 26 letters in the English alphabet. Anyone in the top few deciles of verbal ability should hardly…

I've lost when I got into a situation with three green letters, no yellow letters, and a ton of valid words remaining with the other 2 slots. Can happen with one open slot too.

In that situation you don't keep guessing at the word... you enumerate the possibilities and guess a word that you know is wrong but will cut down your search space.

Re: Wordle is pretty damn smart in many subtle ways

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The wordlist definitely isn't perfect, and obviously each person has their own vocabulary, but it still is a key. It's something the creator mentions, if on your first play you run into a stupid word, you probably won't come back the next day. And the fact that the current word list is 1/th the total word count goes to show how many words are ridiculous. AFAIK his partner actually sifted through all 13k word list and…

That's interesting, I suspect a lot of Wordle's success derives from their curation of words to remove things like "abaft" and "imago". But then I see the NYT went and removed words like "caulk" and "agora" because they were "obscure", and I feel better about humph.

The NYT notably didn't add words to the list, but a surprising number of people complain they ruined it by adding "obscure" words like "tacit", "swill" and "caulk".

Tbh I can understand never encountering caulk and swill somehow because never did diy or indulge in pig farming or fantasy, but I kinda would have expected "tacit acceptance" to be a common enough phrase if one reads newspapers...

Re: Wordle is pretty damn smart in many subtle ways

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An important aspect isn’t mentioned: the words are five letter words that even my six year old kid can attempt.

Also us secondary people (the majority) whose English is not native. My first thinking when I tried wordle was that for sure it's a word that I don't know...but all the words in the main list are known by us as well.

None of them that I've seen are those crazy Scrabble words no one uses, which is a really really great thing about wordles curation.

Re: Wordle is pretty damn smart in many subtle ways

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> After a few rounds, it just wasn't as fun. Absolutely. If that limitation wasn't there, the game would've definitely fizzled out within days and maybe even never made to it the popularity it has now. The slow sustained popularity, with people posting their results on the shared daily word is the key to success here. It's the only reason people are still talking about it more than a month later.

This is also why I strongly prefer the HBO release model to the Netflix model.

Game of Thrones really showed how successful it can be. Season 1-4 really was an amazing time to be a fan.

But that also made it possible for them to succumb to mainstream fan culture, the cult of the badass and so on, they wanted to ride the attention wave :(

Re: Wordle is pretty damn smart in many subtle ways

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One of the subtle ways he didn't mention is that the words seem to use medium-frequency letters, so they aren't an obvious guess, but it isn't some word with no vowels or a bunch of z's, either. I did notice that after the NYT took over the words now seem to have fewer letters, so it's more necessary to logic out which word it is if you want a good score. Previously I could figure out what most of the letters were wi…

To be clear, even if the NYT never took over, those words would still have come up, the nyt only removed 6 words, which is a very small amount.

Didn't stop people from saying the NYT gentrified the game after tacit came up though, which is it's own commentary on facts and fact finding and confirmation bias

Re: Wordle is pretty damn smart in many subtle ways

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post #153

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caulk was the word last week though? Nobody I play the game with knew that word. Granted we are not native english speakers. Too hard word every now and then is also unifying experience when everybody stops hating the player and instead hates the game.

Fair point. Caulk might also be more of a British English word than American English word.

I'm not sure about that, given it was used in New Girl, a Fox tv series. The comments thanking new girl for how the solver knew the word was such a refreshing change from "omg NYT ruined it"

...I also learned it was used in that classic millennial childhood game Oregon Trail (because you can caulk the wagon to cross the river)

Re: Wordle is pretty damn smart in many subtle ways

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post #167

I may be completely wrong but, after playing 3 or 4 times, I got the feeling that this game is very easy and involves more luck than skill or strategy. It looks and feels like a puzzle so you get the feeling of having solved something but have you, really? If you find the word in 3 tries 90% of the time, does it mean you're actually better at the game than someone who usually needs 4 or 5 attempts? Or are you just a…

Over a small sample size it's impossible to say, but if you maintain those numbers after many games then yes, you are better. And there are a lot of opportunities for skill or strategy. For example the choice of your first word matters a lot, should you plane something like ADIEU to get most of the vowels, or should you plane something like CRANE that has a lot of the popular consonants? And then the biggest mistake…

>And then the biggest mistake I see people make is getting a lot of the letters in the right spot early and then just leaving them there on subsequent guesses

You may be watching people play hard mode.

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