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Toxic Nectar Kills 90% of Mosquito Populations

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Re: Toxic Nectar Kills 90% of Mosquito Populations

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http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100721/full/466432a.html Makes a good case for why eradicating mosquitoes will not be problematic. But every time there is a large scale intervention like this the side effects only become apparent decades after the fact. You mess with ecosystems at this scale at your peril. Even if we can't see any downside to this today that doesn't mean there isn't a downside. DDT looked pretty good…

If Benjamin Franklin had his way, we'd still think DDT was a great idea. Eagles be damned.

Re: Toxic Nectar Kills 90% of Mosquito Populations

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post #15

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100721/full/466432a.html Makes a good case for why eradicating mosquitoes will not be problematic. But every time there is a large scale intervention like this the side effects only become apparent decades after the fact. You mess with ecosystems at this scale at your peril. Even if we can't see any downside to this today that doesn't mean there isn't a downside. DDT looked pretty good…

Maybe 40 years from now we will know why eradicating something as obviously harmful as a mosquito can be problematic too.

Well sure, we'll know why when the aliens feel free to blow up our planet after we kill all the mosquitoes they put here.

http://hellyeahliloandstitch.tumblr.com/post/3095035674/eart...

Re: Toxic Nectar Kills 90% of Mosquito Populations

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post #15

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100721/full/466432a.html Makes a good case for why eradicating mosquitoes will not be problematic. But every time there is a large scale intervention like this the side effects only become apparent decades after the fact. You mess with ecosystems at this scale at your peril. Even if we can't see any downside to this today that doesn't mean there isn't a downside. DDT looked pretty good…

If Benjamin Franklin had his way, we'd still think DDT was a great idea. Eagles be damned.

How so? Asking seriously -- I just started reading a bio of Franklin, and I'm hungry for details.

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post #19
post #15

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100721/full/466432a.html Makes a good case for why eradicating mosquitoes will not be problematic. But every time there is a large scale intervention like this the side effects only become apparent decades after the fact. You mess with ecosystems at this scale at your peril. Even if we can't see any downside to this today that doesn't mean there isn't a downside. DDT looked pretty good…

On the problematic side, the cheap boric acid solution (pun!) will likely be the most used. And this will be bad. 1) Boric acid will kill any insect that ingests it. 2) If you leave rotting fruit out, every nectar lover will drink it. From experience, this will be at least 50% honeybees. So yeah, it will crash native honeybee populations too. If you are curious and want to see how effective it would be, mix up some b…

Honeybees are much larger than mosquitoes. Could you simply screen the honeybees out?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the major difference between this attempt at species destruction and other previous attempts is the massive amount of human disease and death already perpetrated by the clumsy little biters. It comes down to determining whats better: not messing with the environment and continuing to allow hundreds of thousands of human deaths a year. or trying to kill off mosquitoes. Wikipedia claims that malaria alone cause…

Huh? What previous attempts at species destruction are you referring to?

> Huh? What previous attempts at species destruction are you referring to?

This one, maybe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Pests_Campaign ?

Re: Toxic Nectar Kills 90% of Mosquito Populations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Benjamin Franklin had his way, we'd still think DDT was a great idea. Eagles be damned.

How so? Asking seriously -- I just started reading a bio of Franklin, and I'm hungry for details.

Benjamin Franklin advocated making the turkey the national bird instead of the bald eagle. I assume that if he were successful, people wouldn't care quite so much about eagles these days ;)

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> And that, according to scientists from Hebrew University in Jerusalem, is an Achilles’ heel — or Achilles’ proboscis — through which the pests can also be poisoned.

This thread presents a great opportunity to discuss the Arab-Israeli conflict. Who wants to start?

Re: Toxic Nectar Kills 90% of Mosquito Populations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Benjamin Franklin had his way, we'd still think DDT was a great idea. Eagles be damned.

How so? Asking seriously -- I just started reading a bio of Franklin, and I'm hungry for details.

The argument probably goes something like this:

1. Ben Franklin wanted the wild turkey to be the national bird/symbol, not the bald eagle.

2. DDT is particularly devastating to bald eagles (due to transmission through fish which concentrate the DDT and makes the shells of bird eggs too thin to properly allow full term hatching (bald eagles really like fish)).

3. Since the bald eagle is the national symbol of the US this was a major rallying cry of the anti-DDT folks

4. If the turkey was instead the national symbol, presumably fewer people would have cared about the DDT effects on eagles, causing a weaker response to DDT dangers (e.g. not putting in a blanket ban on its use).

NOTE: point 4 is pure speculation on outcome, but not unreasonable. Also, the argument I present is just me speculating that is what the GP meant.

Re: Toxic Nectar Kills 90% of Mosquito Populations

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That's pretty neat. I use boric acid for restoring rotted wood in my old 1800's house. It's been well known for a long time to stop insects. You can actually buy rods of the stuff to insert into rotting (or in danger of rotting) wooden beams (such as a beam in the foundation of an old house that gets too wet). When the wood gets wet the beam spreads and stops any further mold rot or insects (roaches, ants) from harmi…

There are some links between boric acid and fertility as well as harm to fetuses, beware.

Re: Toxic Nectar Kills 90% of Mosquito Populations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems as though we expect no adverse consequences to their total elimination: http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100721/full/466432a.html

I don't understand the conclusions that article draws. It spends 90% of it's time talking about how important mosquitos are, and then says "but that doesn't matter". I also think it's pretty ridiculous to assume some other insect will just fill in the gap before we wipe out untold numbers of plants and animals.

This link was cited twice here, both times using the conclusion from the article's subhead: "Eradicating any organism would have serious consequences for ecosystems — wouldn't it? Not when it comes to mosquitoes, finds Janet Fang."

But I agree with you -- careful reading of the article itself suggests otherwise.

For example, "Taken all together, then, mosquitoes would be missed in the Arctic — but is the same true elsewhere?" or "the loss of these or other fish could have major effects up and down the food chain" or "without mosquitoes, thousands of plant species would lose a group of pollinators." Any "but that doesn't matter" commentary is couched in weasel words like "unlikely", and the concluding quote is from a mosquito control association.

Finally, article makes this remark, "Ultimately, there seem to be few things that mosquitoes do that other organisms can't do just as well — except perhaps for one. They are lethally efficient at sucking blood from one individual and mainlining it into another, providing an ideal route for the spread of pathogenic microbes."

We don't know the long term effects to evolutionary processes of losing that inter-species blood to blood route, and I for one would like to see a citation saying such a mechanism, existing since the Cambrian era 79 million years ago, is irrelevant at large time scales.

// Disclaimer: Almost everyone in my family contracted malaria while living in Africa.

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