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In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail seriously

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Re: In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail seriously

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Post by XorNot »

pvarangot wrote: post #299
varenc wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the battle is partly won in several U.S. cities (including NYC & SF) which passed laws to mandate acceptance of cash In SF, despite the laws, many businesses openly had a no-cash policy once the pandemic started. "Sorry, Credit Cards Only. Touching money might transmit Covid" is too easy of an argument, even though it's essentially a non-concern now. And I haven't seen businesses go back to accepting cash as lockdo…

Yeah. I only saw that sign a couple times during the early COVID days and just payed with cash to see what happened and they took it without questions.

That's because you were being an asshole to a retail worker, who doesn't want to get into it with you and maybe get assaulted about company policy.

You foisted a potential risk onto someone without power. Don't do that.

Re: In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail seriously

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Post by dghlsakjg »

reaperducer wrote: post #76
throwaway22032 wrote: post #3

The simple answer is to reject the cashless society. In the medium to long term it's simply incompatible with any reasonable definition of freedom. Surveillance is bad enough, but a system that allows governments to arbitrarily "turn off" thousands or millions of people at the push of a button is too powerful to not be abused. Even the mere existence of such a system has a chilling effect. Which I suspect is precisel…

The simple answer is to reject the cashless society. Agreed. Recently, I came across a coffee shop and a bakery that proudly displayed "We are cashless. No cash accepted." signs. Not accepting cash is a method of discrimination. It keeps people without bank accounts out of your establishment. The overwhelming number of people without bank accounts are minorities and immigrants. That's why in some cities it is illegal…

Cash is surprisingly expensive for businesses.

Through mistakes and malice money will disappear.

On top of that you have to spend a not insignificant amount of manager time counting and running money to and from the bank. If you deal with large amounts of cash then you get to file CTRs frequently.

In addition to all that you have to deal with the physical infrastructure. Cash drawers, safes, money bags, etc…

Having worked in both retail and in banks I can promise that cash is a major pain point.

Re: In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail seriously

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Post by catgary »

daenz wrote: post #436
pkd wrote: post #427

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you listen to the next question, it seems like he was talking about people in the U.S. donating to the movement.

Which is strange if that is the case because they have no jurisdiction to make any kind of veiled threats towards U.S. citizens.

I mean, Canada has jurisdiction over whether or not they can enter Canada, do business in Canada, freeze assets in Canadian banks, etc.

Re: In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail seriously

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Post by catgary »

busymom0 wrote: post #444
pkd wrote: post #427

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you listen to the next question, it seems like he was talking about people in the U.S. donating to the movement.

Why would he be talking about US people? He has zero jurisdiction over that. And even if he were talking about US people, that still wouldn't make such comments okay. Canadians donate to US protests all the time and vice versa. Plus, the Deputy Director of Intelligence for Canada's financial intel agency (FINTRAC) said there is no evidence of suspicious transactions around the freedom convoy: https://www.ctvnews.ca/p…

Of course he has jurisdiction over that - Canadians don’t have jurisdiction over drunk driving in the US, but if you have a DUI you’re going to have a tough time getting into Canada.

Re: In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail seriously

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Post by reaperducer »

Godel_unicode wrote: post #175
reaperducer wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The simple answer is to reject the cashless society. Agreed. Recently, I came across a coffee shop and a bakery that proudly displayed "We are cashless. No cash accepted." signs. Not accepting cash is a method of discrimination. It keeps people without bank accounts out of your establishment. The overwhelming number of people without bank accounts are minorities and immigrants. That's why in some cities it is illegal…

You don't need a bank account to use cards to pay for things. You also don't need to use an attempt at humor about fat people to add authority to your argument.

It wasn't an attempt at humor. It was a statement of fact. I'm a fat guy. I'm not going to buy cookies there.

Try not to invent imaginary offenses on behalf of strangers.

Re: In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail seriously

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Post by walterbell »

XorNot wrote: post #461
pvarangot wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. I only saw that sign a couple times during the early COVID days and just payed with cash to see what happened and they took it without questions.

That's because you were being an asshole to a retail worker, who doesn't want to get into it with you and maybe get assaulted about company policy. You foisted a potential risk onto someone without power. Don't do that.

No one here knows either of the parties in that transaction, perhaps avoid projecting?

There are companies which empower workers to make decisions.

Re: In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail seriously

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Post by CogitoCogito »

decafninja wrote: post #414
throwaway22032 wrote: post #393

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Meh. I don't really have a reply for this because we just obviously have really different worldviews so it's not going to really work. There is no consumer, or merchant, or hiding of transactions, or taxes, or Venmo, or Paypal, or any of this stuff. I'm standing next to you and you have an apple. I give you $1 for apple. I don't care about any of that other shit, it's like this whole invented set of problems that you…

Fair enough. I acknowledge people have different viewpoints on this issue. Believe it or not, my wife is actually a proponent of cash transactions. She has not been able to convince me of the benefits either. We've agreed to disagree. She carries the cash, and to my benefit she spots me whenever we encounter a merchant that doesn't accept credit cards since I don't carry cash.

> She has not been able to convince me of the benefits either.

…

> She carries the cash, and to my benefit she spots me whenever we encounter a merchant that doesn't accept credit cards since I don't carry cash.

I’m having trouble understanding these sentences written together in such short succession. Are you being serious?

Re: In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail seriously

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Post by allisdust »

beloch wrote: post #287

The most concerning thing about Trudeau's use of the Emergencies Act is that it was both unnecessary and, despite the protests being quelled, ongoing . First, the police in Ottawa chose not to enforce even basic laws in the area of the protest for several weeks. The result was lawlessness and a total lack of respect for the police. They were being jeered at for putting threatening flyers under windshield wipers one d…

Is it really unclear? There are examples from other countries. Erdogan got emergency powers during a coup and continued to hold on to them for a long time and before finally giving up, he made enough changes in the constitution and law that effectively he retains all of them.

I see the same pattern here. I would be surprised if there is going to be another PM ever in Canada. If it sounds ridiculous, think about the fact that current government is a Minority one. The way they gather support is by showing carrot and stick to the rest of the parties. And these emergency powers are a big stick just waiting to be used at the right time.

Re: In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail seriously

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Post by throwaway_fbfh »

Fact that whole of liberal caucuses and NDP voted for this aberration is bad news.

It is an open season on anyone who is member or supported People’s party. Totalitarians having tasted the pandemic power do not seem to want to relinquish it(surprise! lol)

Re: In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail seriously

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Post by allisdust »

romaniv wrote: post #164

> The government’s action is troubling enough, but what should really disturb us is the ease and invisibility with which it is being done. This is such a great point. I'm not sure why it needs to be made over and over again, but it seems that's the only way it doesn't get buried. Let's play a game. I will be the institution, you will be the person. You will get ability to record me with your cellphone and post stuff…

Sounds fair as long as you are representing my views. When the coin flips I will get the unfairness of it. This is what current supporters of the regime (I guess we can now call it that) don't understand yet.
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